Shafi'i: Friday prayer fiqh questions

[SASLAMS]

but I don't know anyone nearby (or I don't have any contact).

We don't have any Masjid (or Imam) nearby (nearest possibly ~50 mile) and we use a basement in a building to pray Juma'ah and tarawih/Eid prayers. Basically the imam job is passed on several brothers and some of them are not Shafi'i (possibly Hanafi or Misri) and they start khutbah after Ẓuhr (alhamdulillah) and some of them do not aware of the arkān of khutbah, for example, they don't say the arkān in Arabic, missing one of the arkān especially اتقوا الله, and sometimes when you think they have fulfilled pretty much everything, they do du'a in English, etc. The Hanafi 'Ulama' nearby (~150 mile) hold on to view of khutbah in Arabic only. People usually come in later, but khutbah always start on time with possibly less than 40 people. I know Aḥnāf can do Juma'ah with less than 40, but they don't permit non-Arabic khutbah. I've brought this subject to one of the khatib before and he said in Hanafi, they can do non-Arabic khutbah (based on the fiqh ala madhhab arba'ah book), so I don't know. Not sure about other madhhab. والله اعلم. If you can bring this subject to any of the Shafi'i Ulamā' that would be most helpful.

As for now, my solution is to do Ẓuhr

I dont have nearly as sidi Safinah but if I may add. what is mentioned is that only the arkaan of the khutbah need be in Arabic the rest could be in any other language. bro what you mentioned about the call to taqwa. well if Im not mistaken it doesnt have to be in the words of ittaqullah. it may come in another form & need be a call to taáh. you should also concider that the brothers leading the jumuah are not shafi'& could be salfi so who knows what they do. but as you said it would be safe to do dhuhr salah after jumuah when there are doubts on number or missing of a rukn. maybe you should consult ulama on taking dispensation in other madhahib for issues like the number of musallis, unless you could join another jamaáh.

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I dont have nearly as sidi Safinah but if I may add. what is mentioned is that only the arkaan of the khutbah need be in Arabic the rest could be in any other language. bro what you mentioned about the call to taqwa. well if Im not mistaken it doesnt have to be in the words of ittaqullah. it may come in another form & need be a call to taáh. you should also concider that the brothers leading the jumuah are not shafi'& could be salfi so who knows what they do. but as you said it would be safe to do dhuhr salah after jumuah when there are doubts on number or missing of a rukn. maybe you should consult ulama on taking dispensation in other madhahib for issues like the number of musallis, unless you could join another jamaáh.

As Salamu alaikum,

It is true that only the Arkan of the khutbah must be in Arabic. However, Shaykh Sulayman al-Bujayrmi writes in his Hashiyah of Shaykh al-Islam's Sharh al-Manhaj, when the author says " what is meant are the integrals of the Khutbah" that this give the impression that if another language were to be used between the integrals it would not harm (the validity). Thereafter, al-Bujayrmi relates from Imam al-Ramli that this view (namely that foreign speech between the integrals does not harm) is warranted if the separation between the non-arabic speech and the arabic integrals is not a "long" separation, otherwise (i.e. if the non-arabic speech caused a long separation) it would be harmful due to the fact that it would interupt the continuity (between the integrals)

In fact, I recall one of my teachers in Tarim saying that any speech that is not in the interest of the Khutbah will invalidate it, such as ranting about politics etc, provided it prolongs the separation between integrals.

Allah Ta 'Ala knows best.

[ardianto]

but I don't know anyone nearby (or I don't have any contact).

We don't have any Masjid (or Imam) nearby (nearest possibly ~50 mile) and we use a basement in a building to pray Juma'ah and tarawih/Eid prayers. Basically the imam job is passed on several brothers and some of them are not Shafi'i (possibly Hanafi or Misri) and they start khutbah after Ẓuhr (alhamdulillah) and some of them do not aware of the arkān of khutbah, for example, they don't say the arkān in Arabic, missing one of the arkān especially اتقوا الله, and sometimes when you think they have fulfilled pretty much everything, they do du'a in English, etc. The Hanafi 'Ulama' nearby (~150 mile) hold on to view of khutbah in Arabic only. People usually come in later, but khutbah always start on time with possibly less than 40 people. I know Aḥnāf can do Juma'ah with less than 40, but they don't permit non-Arabic khutbah. I've brought this subject to one of the khatib before and he said in Hanafi, they can do non-Arabic khutbah (based on the fiqh ala madhhab arba'ah book), so I don't know. Not sure about other madhhab. والله اعلم. If you can bring this subject to any of the Shafi'i Ulamā' that would be most helpful.

As for now, my solution is to do Ẓuhr

There is a fatwa from Indonesian Shafi'i Aleem, Habib Munzir ibn Fuad al Muwada.
If you are living in a place among Muslims from other madhaab, you should follow fiqh of madhaab that followed by those people. In example, if you live among Hanafis, you should salah in Jama'ah with them according to Hanafi fiqh.

Also, there are some similar fatawa that issued by other Shafi'i Ulama.

So, although Muslims people around you are not Shafi'is, you can offer salat-ul Juma'ah with them.

[SASLAMS]

As Salamu alaikum,

It is true that only the Arkan of the khutbah must be in Arabic. However, Shaykh Sulayman al-Bujayrmi writes in his Hashiyah of Shaykh al-Islam's Sharh al-Manhaj, when the author says " what is meant are the integrals of the Khutbah" that this give the impression that if another language were to be used between the integrals it would not harm (the validity). Thereafter, al-Bujayrmi relates from Imam al-Ramli that this view (namely that foreign speech between the integrals does not harm) is warranted if the separation between the non-arabic speech and the arabic integrals is not a "long" separation, otherwise (i.e. if the non-arabic speech caused a long separation) it would be harmful due to the fact that it would interupt the continuity (between the integrals)

In fact, I recall one of my teachers in Tarim saying that any speech that is not in the interest of the Khutbah will invalidate it, such as ranting about politics etc, provided it prolongs the separation between integrals.

Allah Ta 'Ala knows best.

are your speaking about the mualaa sidi. I dont understand it much-could you explain. I know that one of the arkaan is muala. is the muala between the khutabatain or during the khutbah. & if during the khutba who is it achieved. my teacher told me that the body of the khutba (everything after amaa ba'ad) whould be the call to obdience-like one is saying ittaqullah.