The Quran is scientifically accurate?

[MujahidAbdullah]

Akhi, we shouldn´t forget that there are many converts who read "translations" of the Quran al karim or they listened to some recitations and then became muslim (so even though they didn´t know arabic they saw that the Quran is somehow special and unique)... but I agree with you that one should concentrate on explaining the message of the Quran.

Before I took shahadah, I begged my Creator to guide me. I then sat down and randomly opened the bible and began to read - I felt a loathing in my heart.

So I opened the Quran randomly and landed on surah hud (Idont remeber which ayats), I suddenly felt the noor and love for Allah - even though the words I was reading had no particular litteral meaning to me.

But, this was a spiritual experience, not defined by either the words of the bible I wa reading nor by the specific words of Quran I was reading.

So when discussing the miracle of the uniquness of Quran, this can not be unversaly applied to non arabic speakers, Muslim or nonmuslim.

This is a miracle for Arabic speakers to observe, since my experience as a non arabic speaker was not based on the eloquence or the arangement of words, but rather on the tajaliayat that Allah sent on my heart.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Quran is written and composed in a miraculously unique manner, but non arabic speakers can not be expected to have the capability of witnessing this particular miracle.

[hossam bokhari]

Please answer my question: Are you muslim?

Now maybe you would ask me why I ask such a question: I said that the Quran al karim is unique.... you answered me by saying that "Mein Kampf" is also unique... so you actually compared the Quran with "Mein Kampf"... ( I hope that you didn´t do that wittingly)...

Uniqueness is not a measure of truth. My pointing that out isn't grounds for questioning my faith. I won't indulge the question by bothering to answer it.

I have another question: So what is your aim by asking these questions??.... do you want that muslims say "we have no proof that Islam is true"??... if this is what you want then let it be known to you that we will not say such a thing!

A Muslim has his or her reasons for believing in Islam. However, proving the truth or validity of a religion is a matter more complicated than it's typically made out to be by the adherents of that religion. I might believe in something and yet not believe that it can be proven true.

I don't think beliefs taken on faith can be proven true. If you think otherwise, I'd be happy for you to show me.

[ahmad12]

:salam;

There are many ways to prove Islam as the truth. One way is to show that there are verses of the Quran that gives certain scientific information at a time when such information could not have been known by humans- so it must have come from God.
The linguistic miracle of the Quran is its inimitability- no human can write anything similar to the Quran even though many have tried. Therefore, the Quran cannot be the speech of humans and must therefore be the Word of God.
There are many verses in other religious books that mention the Prophet before he was even born. These verses can be found in Buddhist scriptures, Hindu, Jewish, Christian and Parsi scriptures. The remarkable thing is that all these srciptures are talking about the same man. All these prophecies were fulfilled in the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him.
There are also statements made by the Prophet talking about the future, which have come true not to mention scientific miracles found in his hadith and Sunnah.
There are also other ways of proving Islam, the above are just some

[hossam bokhari]

:There are many ways to prove Islam as the truth. One way is to show that there are verses of the Quran that gives certain scientific information at a time when such information could not have been known by humans- so it must have come from God.
The linguistic miracle of the Quran is its inimitability- no human can write anything similar to the Quran even though many have tried. Therefore, the Quran cannot be the speech of humans and must therefore be the Word of God.
There are many verses in other religious books that mention the Prophet before he was even born. These verses can be found in Buddhist scriptures, Hindu, Jewish, Christian and Parsi scriptures. The remarkable thing is that all these srciptures are talking about the same man. All these prophecies were fulfilled in the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him.
There are also statements made by the Prophet talking about the future, which have come true not to mention scientific miracles found in his hadith and Sunnah.
There are also other ways of proving Islam, the above are just some

Suppose we decide to go with the first one. If you try to prove Islam by appeal to the standards of science, you then leave Islam accountable to those very same standards. Suppose, then, the Qur'anic account of human origins is subjected to a scientific critique, which would inevitably find the Qur'anic account false and incorrect. What then?

[ahmad12]

First of all, that's just one of many arguments. Even if we don't appeal to it, Islam still gets proven to be correct. The only reason I would use that argument is to get people's interest.
Secondly, science is ever changing. Sometimes something is considered to be 'fact' and a couple of decades later it's proven to be false. In the same way, this silly evolution theory will be shown to be falsehood at some point. However, this does not neccessarily mean that everything that science currently says is false; some/most things would be correct and it is astonmishing that certain scienctifically accepted propositions have been made in the Quran.
Thirdly, scientific critique couldn't find the Quranic account of the origins of man incorrect at all

[hossam bokhari]

First of all, that's just one of many arguments. Even if we don't appeal to it, Islam still gets proven to be correct. The only reason I would use that argument is to get people's interest.
Secondly, science is ever changing. Sometimes something is considered to be 'fact' and a couple of decades later it's proven to be false. In the same way, this silly evolution theory will be shown to be falsehood at some point. However, this does not neccessarily mean that everything that science currently says is false; some/most things would be correct and it is astonmishing that certain scienctifically accepted propositions have been made in the Quran.
Thirdly, scientific critique couldn't find the Quranic account of the origins of man incorrect at all

If you want to make this kind of argument, okay. Then, however, it's only fair to ask: how do you decide when to endorse scientific conclusions and when to reject them? On the basis of what standards and criteria, if not those of the sciences? More to the point, how do you ensure that your decision isn't purely arbitrary?

[Zafran]

If you want to make this kind of argument, okay. Then, however, it's only fair to ask: how do you decide when to endorse scientific conclusions and when to reject them? On the basis of what standards and criteria, if not those of the sciences? More to the point, how do you ensure that your decision isn't purely arbitrary?

Salaam

Try to produce something like the Quran in the arabic langauge if you can? many of failed the challenge are you up for it? thats the critieria do you accpet it or not? If you cant then the Quran is true.

By the way science suffers from the problem of induction anyway - To Justify a scientific theory we have to rely on past events anyway which leads to circular reasoning.

Everything requires belief even science does for it to work in the future.

[hossam bokhari]

Salaam

Try to produce something like the Quran in the arabic langauge if you can? many of failed the challenge are you up for it? thats the critieria do you accpet it or not? If you cant then the Quran is true.

By the way science suffers from the problem of induction anyway - To Justify a scientific theory we have to rely on past events anyway which leads to circular reasoning.

Everything requires belief even science does for it to work in the future.

With due respect, this doesn't answer the question I posed to the brother below.