Salaam
I wanted to ask about the geneology of Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani... how is it known whether he is a descendant from the Prophet (SAW) ???
I have other questions as well, but Insha Allah this one should come first in my opinion...
Abdul Qadir Jilani
Salaam
I wanted to ask about the geneology of Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani... how is it known whether he is a descendant from the Prophet (SAW) ???
I have other questions as well, but Insha Allah this one should come first in my opinion...
Salamu Alaikum
1. The Ulema are unanimous that Shaikh Abdul Qadir was a Sayyid from both his mothers and fathers side.
2. In Qala'id Al Jawahir his lineage is given as:
He is our Master, the Shaikh of Islam, the exemplar of the splendid saints [awliya'], the signpost to right guidance. Those who trace their spiritual affiliation to him are among the blissfully fortunate. He is the Lordly Cardinal Pole [al-Qutb ar-Rabbani], the incomparable, the universal, the everlasting, the pure foundation, Muhyi 'd-din Abu Muhammad 'Abd al-Qadir, the son of Abu Salih Jangi Dost (some say Janga Dost) Musa, the son of Abu 'Abdi'llah, the son of Yahya az-Zahid, the son of Muhammad, the son of Dawud, the son of Musa, the son of 'Abdu'llah, the son of Musa al-Jawn, the son of 'Abdu'llah al-Mahd (also known by the epithet al-Mujall [the Venerable], derived from the term ijlal [veneration]), the son of al-Hasan al-Muthanna, the son of the Commander of the Believers [Amir al-Mu'minin], Abu Muhammad al-Hasan, the son of the Commander of the Believers, 'Ali (may Allah be well pleased with him), the son of Abu Talib, the son of 'Abd al-Muttalib, the son of Hashim, the son of 'abd Manaf, the son of Qusayy, the son of Kilab, the son of Murra, the son of Ka'b, the son of Lu'ayy, the son of Ghalib, the son of Qahr, the son of Malik, the son of an-Nadr. the son of Kinana, the son of Khuzaima, the son of Mudrika, the son of Ilyas, the son of Mudar, the son of Nadhdhar, the son of Ma'd, the son of 'Adnan. [His surnames are] al-Qurashi al-Hashimi al-'Alawi al-Hasani al-Jili al-Hanbali.
Wasalam
May My Soul be sacrificed for your soul, my beloved, my master Muhammad - peace and blessing upon you- !
روحي لروحك الفداء يا حبيبي يا سيدي محمد
Originally Posted by salman
As I was reading this excerpt I was wondering do we as muslims get too carried away and exaggerate a person's status @ times?
This is just a question. Granted I understand that the shaykh (rahimallah) has offered a lot of to the cause of this deen, however I just don't understand this concept of these titles. IMHO I feel like we sometimes fall into the same characteristics of the Christians when they become over zealous in their love for a person ( for example the situation with the Pope JP II who passed away recently), and upon listening do some of the non-muslim whom I work with was given him the unearthly praises (as was being presented on the news as well)
I just feel like when we as muslim talk about someone we just go overboard
*Disclaimer* This is in no way to compare the love for our Nabibecause he was the best of examples.
Ibrahim al-Harbi said, ‘I heard Ahmad Ibn Hanbal say, ‘If you love that Allah should keep you upon that which you love, then remain upon that which He loves, and the good is in the one who sees no good in himself.”
Refer to al-adab shariah (2/31) by Ibn Muflih
Jazakallah 4 the lineage
Wsalaam
"Laka ruhi fida ya Abaz Zahra."
you sig. is very interesting yes?
He who praises your murders you!?! (on the Authority of Ali (radiallahu ahn))
Ibrahim al-Harbi said, ‘I heard Ahmad Ibn Hanbal say, ‘If you love that Allah should keep you upon that which you love, then remain upon that which He loves, and the good is in the one who sees no good in himself.”
Refer to al-adab shariah (2/31) by Ibn Muflih
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Last edited by Mukarram; 28-12-2006 at 05:52 PM.
"Laka ruhi fida ya Abaz Zahra."
salam
I wanted to ask did Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani meet Imam Ghazali?
salam
For someone connected with Allah, there is no such thing as "unhealthy" praise. We're dealing with reality here, he was as he has been described. Your comparison to Christianity is invalid because we do not ascribe divinity to these individuals. They were perfected servants of Allah, and that is what they will remain.
akhi, I disagree to a certain extent I understand about a person who's done a great deal but for certain words to be expressed for a person, this is where it tends to go a lil bit over the top of praiseworthy actions.
The excerpt was provided and it's says otherwise akhi.
the universal?
the everlasting?
the incomparable?
the pure foundation?
Isn't this a bit of a stretch akhi?do you really think that it's comparison is invalid?
Allah is the everlasting, is the incomparable correct me if I'm wrong akhi
akhi, I'm not denouncing their status as being up right slaves of Al-Malik however I was just stating that the exagerrations tend to tarnish the person's status, I'm sure that if he (rahimallah) was living today he would probably downplay it
Ibrahim al-Harbi said, ‘I heard Ahmad Ibn Hanbal say, ‘If you love that Allah should keep you upon that which you love, then remain upon that which He loves, and the good is in the one who sees no good in himself.”
Refer to al-adab shariah (2/31) by Ibn Muflih
It's not a bit of a stretch. I guess your base of understanding things is a LOT different than mine. As I have been taught, a human soul is created for immortality i.e. it lasts for ever after being created. And so using that as a basis I see no problem.The excerpt was provided and it's says otherwise akhi.
the universal?
the everlasting?
the incomparable?
the pure foundation?
Isn't this a bit of a stretch akhi?
Disconnect yourself from the notion of "comparing everything to God" and you'll see. The praise exists within the modicum of creation, as opposed to outside of it. Everyone Muslim knows Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani was a created human being.
The purity of is soul is such that it is a foundation for us to build upon, hence pure foundation.
He is incomparable to anyone after him, hence the incomparable.
As I said earlier, souls are created for immortality, so I don't see any problem with him being everlasting (as long as you realize that his everlastingness is not like that of Allah's and it is contingent upon Allah).
He is the universal example, after that of the Prophet s.a.s. hence the universal.
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