Deception of Harris Hammam vis-à-vis Taqlid

[London786]

well said abu Hajira saheb. It is easy to see that the brother had some serious talent. With regards to the book that he authored and mufti yusuf sacha endorsed as far as I remember this was when he was still a student. So you can imagine his talent. However with talent there are other perils on this path.

[al_Zayn]

Salam

I think Mufti Sahib is trying to point out that Faqih and Muhaddith Ibn al-Humam (Ra) possessed ability to do Ijthihad.

There will always be Ikhtilaf between Mujthahids, as history tells us, whether they are from the same Madh-hab or from another, whilst some agreeing and others disagreeing.

[Mathbooh]

@Br. Harris, I know that you are reading this reply so do not go on other forums saying we are doing some gheebah etc. You have done your share of undercover instigations, so you are mature enough to swallow these words.

Having read the expose, and the response from Harris, I just have a couple of things in my mind to say.

The thought that comes to mind is, Ulta chor kotwal ko dantey.

The response from Harris affirms the info. investigated by Mufti Husain Saheb. And what is such a big hoo haa about vile and offending manner? Is the manner in which Harris addresses most of his opponents, while hiding behind a facade of an anonymity a madinan way of pristine akhlaaq? How about the link which he himself posts every small forum he joins about deobandies and SF? So please stop such biasness and see the things as they are. Mufti Saheb's words are exposing an anonymous double faced cyber bully . There is bound to be some harsh wording in there. And what was Br. Harris expecting? a peck on the cheeks?

Its easy to shrug things away which discredit ones authority, and it takes guts to face the music. All this time since almost a year or so he has slowly but steadily tried to confuse the masses about deobandi scholarship, their aqeedah, and their fiqh. It doesnt matter now if you say 100 times that you love deobandies, your sinister workings are no more.

Then I see member viewing this refutation as character assasination, but can such an expose be called an assasination of a character which has 2 faces? Perhaps assasination of 1 of those faces. Is warning the ummah of the dangers of those who despite having some link with kutubs and uloom, choose manipulative methodologies simply to instigate fitna among masses, to be condemned? If so, then perhaps that is the reason awaam remain awaam.

The vile methods being employed by the salafi propagations, albeit mostly underground, are not that hidden to many of us. So when someone comes with a sorry pitiful oppressed expression while disseminating an aura of back stabbing, its no surprise that we choose not to be dooped by these tactics.

Br. Harris, my only message to you is seek that element of honesty in your heart that pushed you to learn deen the very first time. That first instant was the pure form of talab which classified you as a talib ilm. It was that talib im, people around you respect, not that what you have become. I hope you realize that. In the game of backstabbing and hatemongering, you can only expect similar traits of hate and fitna from other players of the game. Consider this expose as a basharat from Allah to rid yourself from the closet agendas and live a life of transparency.

I make dua for your recovery. Ameen

Bro,abuhajirah u were missed here.Mufti Hussain for the good work you are doing.The criticism you are getting will surely just increase the standard of your work.We have our share of Harris Hammam's in this part of the world,maybe not so prominant.I wonder if these taqiyyah tendencies are part of the tarbiyat.

Allah forgive us,protect us and guide us.Ameen.

was salaam

[akabirofdeoband]

well said abu Hajira saheb. It is easy to see that the brother had some serious talent. With regards to the book that he authored and mufti yusuf sacha endorsed as far as I remember this was when he was still a student. So you can imagine his talent. However with talent there are other perils on this path.

Maybe some ulema in England could sit down with the brother and go through things with him.
We have mashaallah senior ulema in the uk.
Has anyone tried this


Also is this the teaching from madina uni? Because i heard it had some good departments, but if this is the kind of things they are teaching maybe we shouldn't be sending our students there

[Abu Dajanaa]

Maybe some ulema in England could sit down with the brother and go through things with him.
We have mashaallah senior ulema in the uk.
Has anyone tried this

this is indeed a good suggestion.

Also is this the teaching from madina uni? Because i heard it had some good departments, but if this is the kind of things they are teaching maybe we shouldn't be sending our students there

I dont think it is correct to attribute the wrong of one student to the entire university. I am not from UK but from where i come from, there are very few darul uloom graduates and slightly more madinah grad. The rest are from other madrasah/unis. I have to say IMO, darul uloom and madinah grads are those ustadh whom are closer to sunnah. Allahu a'lam

[Ibn_Harith]

Just goes to show that deobandis shouldn't get too cozy with salafis. And talent coupled with hatred of the ulama of Ahl al-Sunnah is, in fact, an affliction. Take the example of Ahmad Raza Khan...

[imaan4success]

I remember my debate with brother haris, subhanallah, where his misguidance and deception was exposed and he was unable to give a response alhamdulillah. For those of you who are interested, you can read it here insha'Allah:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post442918

In fact, some of the responses I gave may even be directly relevant to the quotes he deceivingly gave to which Mufti Sahib alhamdulillah responded well.

wallahu a'alam.

[Mathbooh]

I remember my debate with brother haris, subhanallah, where his misguidance and deception was exposed and he was unable to give a response alhamdulillah. For those of you who are interested, you can read it here insha'Allah:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post442918

In fact, some of the responses I gave may even be directly relevant to the quotes he deceivingly gave to which Mufti Sahib alhamdulillah responded well.

wallahu a'alam.

Bro, ,you did a sterling job.I see he fled,only to go elsewhere with his bunkum.BTW,it seems like this guy has no other job but to attack deo's and it now seems like he is running out of ideas and is restrained to re-cycling old stuff.

May Allah guide,protect and forgive us.Ameen

was salaam

[Haaji_Abubakr]

As salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

I always thought akh Harris was a Hanafi.

[London786]

brother Harris. Please respond to us on this thread. Have you spoken to the deobandi ulema about these issues? Like maulana Yaqub Qasmi, Maulana Sameerudeen and maulana marghoob or mufti umar farooq or mufti shabbir. If you want we can get someone like colonal to arrange a meeting. Also brothe Harris since you consider the deobandi ulema to have made many mistakes could you please enlighten us with the mashaikh from whom you received such views? Who are the people who shape your views? Was it shaykh al utaymeen, mufti bin baz, shaykh albani, shaykh bakr abu zayd? Please tell me who you consider an authority in this day and age?

Anyway I'm actually a bit sad by this whole episode. The brother obviously had talent and zeal but it was not utilized appropriately. ALLAH guide him and us ameen. Has anyone discussed this with his teachers like his uncle maulana mama saheb, mufti yusuf sacha, maulana darwaan. I heard that 'physco' the wizkid had gone astry in aqeedah but was still a hardcore hanafi who had battled the cause of the hanafis at madinah university. I guess having being exposed not only is 'psycho' salafi in aqeedah but he has inherited the many other traits of the salafi dawah...like bad akhlaaq, manipulation, two faced attiude, deceit etc.

It is also an irony that he teaches at Tayyibun and that he teaches a hanafi text (could someone confirm this). These Tayyibun guys are some sober salafis and I was quite positive about many of them...but it seems like they are the cunning, hikmah type salafis who use arabic and tajwid to lure people to salafiyah slowly but surely. They are not up front to your face salafis like madhkalis etc. This reminds of someone who once posted some arabic course on SF. His name was Muawiyah Tucker. Also a Madinah Grad. The guy in the middle of the arabic classes was preaching salafi nonsense.

With regards to the comments about madinah university...well what are the other options??? Going to Damascus university and being surrounded by girls (the ratio of women to men is very high and the uni is famous for it'z zina)..going to azhar where the shaykh will mock you for your beard??? I think these are some of the perils of studying in the arab world for deobandis without having completed the alim course/iftaa. Personally I would say only after completing iftaa one should venture into non-deobandi territory...what do you guys think?