Istighathah: Seeking aid from other than Allah

[UntoldTruth]

Please answer the question.

How about a picture? Is it ok to do that in front of a picture of the dead person? Assume the features are obscured.

To be honest, I don't know... I haven't thoroughly studied this subject...
I know what salafis would say but I dont what the four madhabs would say about it...

You pose a good question though.... I would have to ponder on it... And do some research on it...

[Jadeed]

To be honest, I don't know... I haven't thoroughly studied this subject...
I know what salafis would say but I dont what the four madhabs would say about it...

You pose a good question though.... I would have to ponder on it... And do some research on it...

The reason I ask is because if it's ok to ask for things from a dead person, then it should also be ok to do that in front of a statue or picture of the dead person.

What is more, what is the reason you cannot ask for things from Wadd or Suwa`? How about Yaghuth, Ya`uq, and Nasr? They were all righteous men from the people of Nuh (alayhi salaam).

"They were righteous people between the time of Adam and Nuh, and they had followers who used to adhere to their guidance." So these were 'Awliya Allah from the earlier generations, and what is the reason nobody asks them for help? After all, we know everything is from Allah!

...What is more, nobody ever seems to ask 'Eesa bin Maryam (alayhi salaam) for help. Why is that? People are always asking Abdul-Qadir Jilani or Ahmad al-Badawi for help. 'Eesa bin Maryam (alayhi salaam) is not only closer to Allah then them (by virtue of being a Prophet), but he is also alive!

...Of course, the answer to all this is because this is all foreign to the religion of the Messengers. I wonder how the Arabs would have reacted to the da'wah of Rasulullah (salallahu alayhi was-salaam) if he had explained to them that it was ok for them to ask the dead people their idols represented for rain and rizq and children, as long as they destroyed the idols themselves and acknowledged that everything comes from Allah...

[warea]

The reason I ask is because if it's ok to ask for things from a dead person, then it should also be ok to do that in front of a statue or picture of the dead person.

What is more, what is the reason you cannot ask for things from Wadd or Suwa`? How about Yaghuth, Ya`uq, and Nasr? They were all righteous men from the people of Nuh (alayhi salaam).

"They were righteous people between the time of Adam and Nuh, and they had followers who used to adhere to their guidance." So these were 'Awliya Allah from the earlier generations, and what is the reason nobody asks them for help? After all, we know everything is from Allah!

...What is more, nobody ever seems to ask 'Eesa bin Maryam (alayhi salaam) for help. Why is that? People are always asking Abdul-Qadir Jilani or Ahmad al-Badawi for help. 'Eesa bin Maryam (alayhi salaam) is not only closer to Allah then them (by virtue of being a Prophet), but he is also alive!

...Of course, the answer to all this is because this is all foreign to the religion of the Messengers. I wonder how the Arabs would have reacted to the da'wah of Rasulullah (salallahu alayhi was-salaam) if he had explained to them that it was ok for them to ask the dead people their idols represented for rain and rizq and children, as long as they destroyed the idols themselves and acknowledged that everything comes from Allah...

Shirk is shirk whether it is alive or dead or statue or picture or atoms or radio or whatever. No one classified shirk based on dead or alive or far or near and anyone who does that is a innovator.

[Jadeed]

Shirk is shirk whether it is alive or dead or statue or picture or atoms or radio or whatever. No one classified shirk based on dead or alive or far or near and anyone who does that is a innovator.

Allow me to get this straight, then.

To you, it is not shirk to ask Wadd or Suwa' or Yaghuth or Ya'uq or Nasr for things, in front of a picture of them?

If so, welcome to the religion of the people of Nuh before his da'wah.

[warea]

Allow me to get this straight, then.

To you, it is not shirk to ask Wadd or Suwa' or Yaghuth or Ya'uq or Nasr for things, in front of a picture of them?

If so, welcome to the religion of the people of Nuh before his da'wah.

Is it shirk to ask a through a picture on a video calling phone ? Welcome to 21st century.

Go through this:
http://hornofsatan.wordpress.com/ans...our-principles

So you can start from analysing the fundamentals of the thought you have been indoctrinated with.

[Jadeed]

Is it shirk to ask a through a picture on a video calling phone ? Welcome to 21st century.

Go through this:
http://hornofsatan.wordpress.com/ans...our-principles

So you can start from analysing the fundamentals of the thought you have been indoctrinated with.

I've read that, it's not very impressive and yet you keep posting it around here as if it's some kind of ultimate hujjah against people.

Thank you for clarifying that it is permissible in your pseudo-Catholic religion, which is alien to the religion of the Messengers (alayhum salaam) to call on Wadd, Suwa, Yaghuth, Ya'uq, and Nasr.

[warea]

I've read that, it's not very impressive and yet you keep posting it around here as if it's some kind of ultimate hujjah against people.

It refutes the whole basis of ur premise which lead you to make this laughable notion that calling someone is shirk.

Thank you for clarifying that it is permissible in your pseudo-Catholic religion, which is alien to the religion of the Messengers (alayhum salaam) to call on Wadd, Suwa, Yaghuth, Ya'uq, and Nasr.

"Pseudo catholic" label applies to yourself too. That's why yyou have to come up with more laughable classifications of dead or alive near or far to excuse your ownself.

I'm not getting to the crux of the issue cause im letting you see how full of holes your claims are.

Calling Wadd or Suwa or your hand or your wife or your child or whatever creation, would bbe shirk if you believe Wadd or Suwa is atrributed with divinity in any form.

[Jadeed]

Calling Wadd or Suwa or your hand or your wife or your child or whatever creation, would bbe shirk if you believe Wadd or Suwa is atrributed with divinity in any form.

1) It doesn't really refute anything, it's just a series of assertions backed up with Qur'anic ayat without tafseer.
2) You're a mushrik.

[warea]

1) It doesn't really refute anything, it's just a series of assertions backed up with Qur'anic ayat without tafseer.
2) You're a mushrik.

Lol.

[Jadeed]

Welp, he and I are done here. Anyone else want to join warea in saying that it is halal to call on Wadd, Suwa, Yaghuth, Ya'uq, and Nasr, in front of pictures of them, so long as one believes everything comes from Allah?