I have a confusion on this issue that maybe brother godilali can help with.
This goes back to the occasionalist thread-Allah creates each moment and it is all dependant ontologically on him for each instant.
As occasionalists we believe Allah(saw) is responsible for everything- I guess this is the ultimate Tawheed.
So when I ask my wife for salt, it is done knowing she is a sabab and all her actions are created and its from Allah(swt)
So that asking for help is allowed- but here the sabab is seen and explicit-
When the sufis ask for mADdad from the saints.they differ. on what that means off course
But can it be shirk in the light of the above- if they believe that Allah is creating each moment?
The mushriks don't believe in occasionalism so I can see why you would attack them
Also Aaami muslims probably dont understand occasionalism, so you might make Sadd adh dharai3 etc
But is it truly shirk?
Also for some of the saahib e haal they see the saint in kashf and ask for help so the sabab is there.
but if they articulate all of this and then say Maddad (and there is a long ta'wil that goes with it) then
shouldn't we try and make ta'wil to excuse people for kufr...wasn't this the way of Abu Hanifa.
I can see a lot of pros and cons to this so I guess i'm throwing it out for ideas