Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

[jive]

What do you think of this brother? I personally don't like how he just uses the work of Dr William Lane Craig and copies it. I reckon we can do better.

[stats101]

Brother Hamza is doing some excellent Dawah work through his various debates and classess. Whether he uses work from a 3rd party or not is irrelevant. His charasmatic, and people usually find him very approachable. I'm sure there are going to be a few odds and ends some people may disagree with, but that really applies to everyone. We can do better? There are people of various degrees and calibre doing similar things to himself. Rather than shoot them down, we can support them, and help the do better.

[Hamza81]

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, As Muslims we should not hate on those Muslims who are doing good works particularly those who are spreading the deen by giving dawah and what better speech is there than those who give dawah? So what if he takes knowledge from certain sources? He is refuting some very big athiest minds and if you go to some of his talks you will realise how much intelligence he actually has.

So instead of hating on the brother you should make dua for him and support him and spread his work amongst other non Muslims. You have no reason to dislike his works so you should disregard this attitude and instead support the work of dawah especially those who take out there time to do the work of dawah for Islam.

May Allah reward his efforts and all of those who are involved in the work of dawah across the world. Ameen

[jive]

I am not hating the brother, I just think we and he can do better. There is nothing wrong with using other sources but he really almost copies what Dr Craig says sometimes word for word! I wish him well and hope he continues his work but he needs to be a bit more original with his own research. Imagine if a Christian heard him and spotted that he copied their guy! It doesn't look good at all. I am just giving sincere advice on this. We have brothers out there who do their own research and that is good. We have Adam Deen and he seems to be more original.

[Hamza81]

I am not hating the brother, I just think we and he can do better. There is nothing wrong with using other sources but he really almost copies what Dr Craig says sometimes word for word! I wish him well and hope he continues his work but he needs to be a bit more original with his own research. Imagine if a Christian heard him and spotted that he copied their guy! It doesn't look good at all. I am just giving sincere advice on this. We have brothers out there who do their own research and that is good. We have Adam Deen and he seems to be more original.

Asalaamu Alaikum, brother if you are challenging him and his approach then you should challenge him directly by e mailing him or trying to get in touch with him directly rather than slandering him for it may be that you are wrong and it may be that you are accusing him and tarnishing his name when you are completley wrong about him.

You should be careful of your words lest on the day of judgement you are brought to the courts of justice and made to answer for your slanderous allegations against another brother who did the work of Allah whilst you are sitting here posting slanderous remarks about someone you know nothing about.

And Allah knows best in all matters

[jive]

Wa alaykum salaam

I am not slandering him because I know this subject well enough to know that he takes his quotes from Dr Craig, He is not commiting a sin or doing anything illegal but it is better if he organises his talks without those quotes. You are right I should tell him directly. I am not doubting his aql or ilm but the fact that he didnt change the material. It's not just me who spotted this.

[The Fake Shaykh]

i dont think brother jive is slandering him, how did you come to this conclusion?, yes if he criticising him it would be better he contacts the brother directly and tell him his view on this matter and as he is also versed in this subject maybe brother hamza tzortzis will take his views on board.

there's nothing wrong in some critisim especially if it can bring positive change, im all for that.

One thing though brother jive, if you said at the end of your sentence that " he can do better" instead of "we can do better" then this would've been a better choice of words, this would then be seen as appriciating brother hamza tzortzis efforts and your criticism would not be seen as a negative light.

and allah swt knows best

[StopS]

What do you think of this brother?

If a person tells Muslims something he heard elsewhere, I maintain it is perfectly normal. But he should credit the source.

But now what if he tells Muslims something that is wrong? Something that he believes to be correct due to false impressions and personal ignorance?
Is that still "excellent Dawah"?
What if people who are non-Muslims laugh about his gullibility and now think all Muslims are gullible?

[Adeeeeeeeeeeell]

Asalaam Ualaikum,

I too noticed the similarity of speech of brother Hamza and that of the works of Dr. William Lane Craig, however, though at times it seems to be word for word. These philosophical arguments and evidences cannot be put into any other way. The whole point of the argument is to be put forward word for word. Now, I agree that the whole structure needn't be copied at times, but, brother Hamza does put the work of Dr. Craig's in an Islamic perspective using Islamic references and such.

I personally when challenged to a discussion on such topics as atheism I refer back to many of the works of Dr. Craig's and can almost be imitating and using his words per se, as they are the most effective.

[StopS]

I too noticed the similarity of speech of brother Hamza and that of the works of Dr. William Lane Craig, however, though at times it seems to be word for word. These philosophical arguments and evidences cannot be put into any other way. The whole point of the argument is to be put forward word for word. Now, I agree that the whole structure needn't be copied at times, but, brother Hamza does put the work of Dr. Craig's in an Islamic perspective using Islamic references and such.

Exactly - except that Hamza not only copies the words, names and references, but even the hand gestures and jokes, which I have shown in my YouTube videos. It actually looks quite funny.

I personally when challenged to a discussion on such topics as atheism I refer back to many of the works of Dr. Craig's and can almost be imitating and using his words per se, as they are the most effective.

You find Dr. Craig's arguments effective? Why? How?
I find him overbearing and primitive. He has no compelling, factual points and only appeals to emotion and authority by dropping a huge number of names with their qualifications.

Also, a quote should back up your own arguments. Hamza is not knowledgeable enough for this so he thinks dropping a name and a sentence is sufficient.