Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

[amr123]

What you are doing is flaming and I do not engage in that.

That is what they wish they were doing. Unfortunately, it is not true. Adam is not as obnoxious and he has a nice character. Hamza, however, is a real $%#!@

Hypocrite.

[kakarot_999]

I appreciate and happily accept your attempt at bringing this onto a reason and rational thinking base and subduing emotions. Yes, I am passionate about the truth and I do tend to get emotional when I see the truth is being kicked when lying on the floor.



Are you sure you understand the thoughts and reasoning of an atheist? An atheist has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with science. Science is a tool, much like a hammer. What can a hammer prove? Nothing.

Are you sure you are a near graduate in Physics?



What exactly are you saying? Science does not prove anything. It is a tool which a person utilises to prove or disprove something. What laws of science are you talking about? No, science has nothing to do with logics.

That my ancestors existed can be scientifically verified. There is empirical evidence for this. How is DNA not tangible? How are genetics not tangible? Have you never heard of the blue skinned people or the Habsburg lip?



No, there are no signs pointing to the existence of any creator. This is merely wishful thinking and mis-interpretation. The creator is faith based.

The questions you ask are a sign you have never looked into this. That is a sign.

You are projecting your own wish into a book and expect others to blindly follow you. And yes, some do. I cherish the truth, so I will check what you are claiming and don't find any proof for the truth, just faith.
You call the Koran a god's word = your opinion.
You call the Koran coherent, beautiful, and perfect = your opinion.
The Koran contains nothing unknown in the 7th century. There is nothing that is being proven to be factually correct. It is a religious book. If you take valuable messages from it which help you on your way to salvation that's fine.
But please don't mix religion with science.

Are you sure you are a near graduate in Physics?

Allah knows that I am a near graduate in Physics and alhamdullilah he has allowed me to see why most atheists claims are false and baseless through this. It is really hard to appreciate this if one doesn't go through the same thing (what's your qualification btw?). And to call those things that I am telling you to ponder over as opinion and faith based is a complete injustice in acknowledging all those people from different religions including atheists who have converted to islam DUE TO THESE POINTS I AM TELLING YOU TO PONDER OVER. So how high is the arrogance if one thinks his thinking is not need of questioning even if faced by millions of other people around the world. That's another thing you should ponder over. Anyways, thanks for atleast listening to what I have to say. Inshallah May Allah accept my act of da'wah towards you.

[abdulwahhab]

Obviously? Why obviously? Is that your opinion?

As I have stated before: I am having conversations with other humans. I like humans.

I am having interesting conversations with other humans. I like having interesting conversations with other humans.
And even if I don't immediately learn something I have still learned about the views of others. If I don't talk to others I will never know how and what they think about life and other things.

I suppose English isn't your first language because what we're dealing with here is something called "semantics". You want to stifle the speech of religious people, yet you want to continue to spew your nonsense on religious fora?

A similar analogy to what you're doing is like a white supremacist attending a black church and insulting one of the preachers there.

Boy! You can be difficult if you want, right?

My point is that atheists don't actively and publicly try to discourage others from believing what they believe.

Nothing but lies. Atheists like to insinuate that anyone who believes in a god is deluded. The respect of many Atheists, especially in the scientific community, seems to depend on whether another scientist is an Atheist or not. I had a microbiology professor in my undergraduate years who suggested that anyone who believed in a religion that did not approve of evolution should be barred from receiving his or her degree. So much for believing what you want. Many Atheists also try to liken believers with infants or make up absurdities to insult believers.

And FYI: I lived next to a Catholic church in Warsaw. Do you have any idea how many times those bells were ringing and how loud they were?

You just said this happens in the US. This does not happen in Canada and the US. I have no idea the level of separation of church and state in Poland and it is irrelevant. If you want to raise a big fuss about this, do so in Poland.

Do you have any idea how loud 4 mosque minarets can be if you live in the wrong location in Abu Dhabi and you are in the middle between them?
Sleeping with headphones is not my favourite.

The UAE is primarily a Muslim country. It does not have a separation of church and state. So obviously you're going to hear the adhaan.

And your issue with this is also baseless since the adhaan are never as loud as you're trying to make them out to be. I've lived in Saudi Arabia, where I'd have at least 6 mosques within a 1 kilometre radius and the adhaan was difficult to hear inside people's houses. Even then, the UAE is not a secular country.

You've also failed to address most of my other points. You're only here to troll.

But if you don't like my attitude, you can easily avoid my posts: don't read them.

Trolls have to be taken to task, in spite of being unpleasant and derogatory.

[StopS]

This world is a test.

It is a response to jive, but I will add my 2 cents worth:
This your personal opinion.

The test is whether you are using the blessings of your Most Merciful, Most Beneficent Lord in His obedience or not.
In my view Hamza Andreas Tzortzis, as it seems, passes the test with flying colours.

"Using the blessings"??? Hamza lies, slanders, insults and misrepresents. If I think in another few minutes I will find more despicable character traits of this guy. He makes Muslims look really bad.
He publicly declares the barbaric chopping off of a human hand as adequate and correct. Today! In the 21st century.
He has to correct his view, presentations and his papers all the time as others point out the mistakes again and again.
He is considered a bad joke amongst anyone with basic critical thinking capabilities.
So, as it seems, this Muslim is one person I, as a Muslim, would distance myself from as much as possible.

Far too many times the rest of us Muslims do not open our mouths because our detractors might accuse us of some phony thing. This indeed is not very far from polytheism.

In Hamza's case it would be better if he shut up as he is a disgrace for honest and well-meaning Muslims.

And I forgot to mention he is also primitive and simple.
Have you ever seen what he manages to write to me and the sly methods he uses?

I'll include this here for your entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IQMVdjfBao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WjbRikoOuk

[StopS]

Hypocrite.

Really? Do you know what the word means? I stand by my claims, I can prove them and have told Hamza directly.

So you are making a false accusation.

[StopS]

Allah knows that I am a near graduate in Physics

Ok, so I will believe you - but it does not show in your level of commenting. Sorry to be blunt, but I would expect more intellectual honesty and a more academic approach.

and alhamdullilah he has allowed me to see why most atheists through this.

Is this what they teach at your university on how to approach and tackle a problem? Do they teach you to make wild assertions and hope that something will stick?
"Most atheists" means what?
"claims are false and baseless" means what? What claims are false and baseless in what way?

Again: I am an atheist and don't really make claims. Theists, YOU, make claims.

It is really hard to appreciate this if one doesn't go through the same thing (what's your qualification btw?). And to call those things that I am telling you to ponder over as opinion and faith based is a complete injustice in acknowledging all those people from different religions including atheists who have converted to islam DUE TO THESE POINTS I AM TELLING YOU TO PONDER OVER. So how high is the arrogance if one thinks his thinking is not need of questioning even if faced by millions of other people around the world. That's another thing you should ponder over. Anyways, thanks for atleast listening to what I have to say. Inshallah May Allah accept my act of da'wah towards you.

Ponder? Over your incomprehensible ramblings? Why don't you make a point and we discuss this like educated adults? Did you answer just a single question I have asked? Then you commit endless fallacies (example: millions of other people, fallacy of numbers) and expect me to take you seriously. Your starting sentence in your initial post opened so much expectation and now look at you!

[kakarot_999]

Ok, so I will believe you - but it does not show in your level of commenting. Sorry to be blunt, but I would expect more intellectual honesty and a more academic approach.



Is this what they teach at your university on how to approach and tackle a problem? Do they teach you to make wild assertions and hope that something will stick?
"Most atheists" means what?
"claims are false and baseless" means what? What claims are false and baseless in what way?

Again: I am an atheist and don't really make claims. Theists, YOU, make claims.




Ponder? Over your incomprehensible ramblings? Why don't you make a point and we discuss this like educated adults? Did you answer just a single question I have asked? Then you commit endless fallacies (example: millions of other people, fallacy of numbers) and expect me to take you seriously. Your starting sentence in your initial post opened so much expectation and now look at you!

Can you please answer the question about your level of qualification so that I know what type of individual I am talking to and at what level I should be talking at? It is really hard to understand why you make such statements and replies without knowing your level of knowledge (such as my words require a more "academic" approach and "intellectual honesty", which you need to point out where I am falling short). I used the word "most atheists" because most of them really just follow what other people say (with a little bit of "credible" research on their part). Example of false and baseless claim: there is evidence that a creator cannot exist. Utterly false. In fact I've approached other more intellectual atheists, and they completely disagree and say that there is not sufficient evidence as of yet (according to them) to accept a creator. Clearly judging my words as incomprehensible rambling without pondering over it is a fallacy in and of itself. How can you judge that without pondering over its meaning? Seriously? I recommended pondering so that emotions and quick judgements that are bound to follow don't play a part in this. Discussing like educated adults involves prerequisites to progress in this and right now the progress is being halted due to a missing prerequisite which I reminded you of before - removing emotions (such as having a personal thing against God (wal 'ayadubillah)), arrogance (such as already having at the back of your mind intellectual superiority over me or others), bad judgements, sincerity in listening (such as actually questioning your own understanding and pondering over what I've said) etc. Signs of these are when you claim the beauty of the Quran to be my opinion when you didn't even attempt to know a few of the arabic of the quran or islamic tafseer. The ball is in your court my friend.

[Maripat]

It is a response to jive, but I will add my 2 cents worth:
This your personal opinion.

No, it is my faith - if you will be so kind.

"Using the blessings"??? Hamza lies, slanders, insults and misrepresents. If I think in another few minutes I will find more despicable character traits of this guy.

Cool down StopS. From the Muslim perspective the things look exactly the same. The comments you have been making here will qualify for the same accusations. There is just difference of perspective.
The matter of fact remains that your fellow atheists do not have an answer.
The rest is formality.

He makes Muslims look really bad.

We'll let you know as and when it happens.

He publicly declares the barbaric chopping off of a human hand as adequate and correct. Today! In the 21st century.

This is something that you should defend in Saudia.

He has to correct his view, presentations and his papers all the time as others point out the mistakes again and again.

I suppose he has been suing for your pet side to do the same. So your demand is not ingenuous.

He is considered a bad joke amongst anyone with basic critical thinking capabilities.

That is one sided. You think some thing and then you present it as a fact.

So, as it seems, this Muslim is one person I, as a Muslim, would distance myself from as much as possible.

You shall have that choice once you become a Muslim. Be a Muslim StopS.
Then the ball will get rolling.

In Hamza's case it would be better if he shut up as he is a disgrace for honest and well-meaning Muslims.

He seems to be taking care of himself fine.

And I forgot to mention he is also primitive and simple.

Credit to you - you stopped short of cursing.
You do not perhaps realize but you have been making statements that amount to welfare of Muslims.
But then the charity begins at home.
What about your own welfare? Islam is the religion dear to God.

Have you ever seen what he manages to write to me and the sly methods he uses?

No, I have not personally. But if he is as bad as you have been in the past then in deed there is room for improvement. But for the time being you must focus on the fact that he has just chipped in into that reality where Islam and Muslims were not represented. It was not a case of under representation - it was case of near total non-representation. And that is why it pinches so much. Muslims were supposed to take it lying back. I suppose the things will never be the same again.

And that is the reality. Who so ever wants to accept it.

I'll include this here for your entertainment.

First one I watched earlier. Next one is on the queue. Lord Most High willing.

[StopS]

I suppose English isn't your first language because what we're dealing with here is something called "semantics". You want to stifle the speech of religious people, yet you want to continue to spew your nonsense on religious fora?

A similar analogy to what you're doing is like a white supremacist attending a black church and insulting one of the preachers there.

Does that mean I need to address you as SIR or as BOSS?

Maybe my English is not as good as yours, but at least I listen.
I deal in facts and not "semantics". I explained my position as you seemed to have the wrong impression, which I corrected.
"stifle" is what others do, when they ban, block or ignore me.
"continue to spew your nonsense" a blanket accusation without any merit or even attempted proof.

I have told you my intentions, you make up something else and think it just might impress others who are also reading this. Well, china, why don't you bring some facts to the table instead?

Nothing but lies. Atheists like to insinuate that anyone who believes in a god is deluded. The respect of many Atheists, especially in the scientific community, seems to depend on whether another scientist is an Atheist or not. I had a microbiology professor in my undergraduate years who suggested that anyone who believed in a religion that did not approve of evolution should be barred from receiving his or her degree. So much for believing what you want. Many Atheists also try to liken believers with infants or make up absurdities to insult believers.

Show me the lie instead of throwing mud. Don't be just another primitive zealot, but show some intellectual honesty and cough up the proof for your accusations.

"Atheists"?
Like in: ALL atheists?

"Insinuate"? "believes"?
No, if a person believes something without evidence they are deluded. If I believe in horoscopes I am deluded. If I believe a Tatra is the only and best car in the world I am deluded. Simple. It is not a judgmental statement, but a factual one.

Why do so many people conflate science and atheism??? And your example of the professor of biology is correct. How can I design a brake system of a BMW if I honestly believe that Tatra is the only and best car in the world? There are consequences for a belief.

"Many Atheists" again this blanket term. I do my utmost NOT to insult or belittle believers. And maybe you don't believe in flying mules and talking ants and a split moon. But if someone comes to me and expects me to believe things like that in the 21st century, not allegorically but literally, what do you suggest I do?

You just said this happens in the US. This does not happen in Canada and the US. I have no idea the level of separation of church and state in Poland and it is irrelevant. If you want to raise a big fuss about this, do so in Poland.

I said I heard church bells in Texas and lived next to one in Warsaw. Both statements are true. I was referring to the claim that atheists put pressure on believers and try to influence them. I was showing that this is not true and gave 2 examples. So I am not making accusations but explaining a position. Do you understand this now? Can you stop throwing up red herrings? Behave like an educated adult and stop doing what you criticise in others.

The UAE is primarily a Muslim country. It does not have a separation of church and state. So obviously you're going to hear the adhaan.

And your issue with this is also baseless since the adhaan are never as loud as you're trying to make them out to be. I've lived in Saudi Arabia, where I'd have at least 6 mosques within a 1 kilometre radius and the adhaan was difficult to hear inside people's houses. Even then, the UAE is not a secular country.

Well, again, you are misrepresenting my statements. I said atheists don't actively sound bells or scream from minarets. You are then taking your personal opinion and using your life to refute mine. Can you objectively know the noise level where I live? NO! So stop pretending that you can.

You've also failed to address most of my other points. You're only here to troll.

Trolls have to be taken to task, in spite of being unpleasant and derogatory.

Oh dear, yes, reading up on my original post I just realised I have missed one of your valuable replies. There is a reasonable and acceptable explanation - yet you again practise what you criticise.

Please note: in spite of all your abuse, your insults, your misrepresentations I have not once resorted to insults or personal attacks. Because I think that for the exchange of ideas a conversation is better and more suited than hurling insults.

Now:

If I walk down the street in Dubai I am forced to hear a muezzin calling for prayer. In Dallas I am forced to hear church bells.
What a ridiculous statement.

I am stating a fact, not passing any judgment. Atheists do neither, so I think I am correct. If you come across an atheist ringing bells or using any other means to call for prayer, please notify me. Thanks.
As for minarets: I regularly get woken up at night. This is MY life and MY situation. MY location. MY experience. If you don't believe it, tant pis.

selling their low interest credit cards at malls

You are starting to comprehend. Yes, I am allergic to advertising. I loathe false advertising. Unlike a radio station, I can't turn off people. If you come across an atheist preaching atheism on the street, please notify me. Thanks.

Have you heard of something called "free speech"? It is discouraged in some countries, but Canada should be a country where it is allowed. I don't ban, block or deny anyone their right to say what they want. Just don't expect me to like it or accept it.

I used Pat Condell as that of a stereotypical Atheists that most vocal Atheists almost always live up to - ignorant, arrogant, and borderline xenophobic/racist.

Yes, it seems you do that a lot. Use stereotypes I mean.

stop acting like a victim

So what do I do when Muslims storm the hotel I am in and try to kill me? Hug them?

Atheists don't have an identity

You should check your use of stereotypes and generalisations. And stop writing stuff that makes you look primitive.

Muslims who preach on the street that you're going to hell, etc. are most probably an extreme minority

The ones I ridicule in my last video were Salafis. This week they stabbed 2 policemen. It's peculiar that if a Muslim goes on a rampage it's always the "extreme minority".

ad hominems do wonders for your "arguments"

Well, at least I bring up arguments, which you don't seem to be capable of. Why you see fit to call it "arguments" is thus somewhat incomprehensible. Just as your lack of knowledge regarding the name of a logical fallacy. You see, it is not enough to know the term, one should also know what it means and when it is applicable to use it. Will you look it up yourself or should I show you the correct usage?

Empirical evidence cannot be used to prove a philosophical argument.

What utter nonsense. Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? Where does empirical evidence come from?

I found a nice summary:

a) philosophy and science are two distinct activities (at least nowadays, since science did start as a branch of philosophy called natural philosophy);
b) they work by different methods (empirically-based hypothesis testing vs. reason-based logical analysis); and
c) they inform each other in an inter-dependent fashion (science depends on philosophical assumptions that are outside the scope of empirical validation, but philosophical investigations should be informed by the best science available in a range of situations, from metaphysics to ethics and philosophy of mind).

http://www.science20.com/rationally_...and_philosophy

Can you prove Atheism? Can you prove Communism? Can you prove Capitalism?

Do you actually understand what you are writing? Do you know what a concept is? Do you know the difference between a fictitious thought model and a tangible object?

the beginning of the universe. Atheists claim

I do not know a single atheist who makes any claim as to the definite origin of our Universe. We have models, not more. Concepts and thought models. Sumerians, Egyptians, Persians, Indians, etc etc all claim they KNOW how it happened - I don't.

Again: you seem to have no clue what you are talking about. You don't understand what our senses can and can't do and what reality is to our senses and what we can appreciate using measurement equipment.

I have asked you so many questions which you don't answer. You have accused me of ignoring your comments.

Are you again doing what you tell others not to?

[Maripat]

Watched the second video you linked.
You wasted my thirteen minutes.
And the clip in the beginning of a Shaikh crying - I watched that too.
The subtitles in that video do not match the Shaikh's speech.
You used a dishonest video - worry about your credibility.