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    Default Another Saudi Arabian Moon sighting SHOCKER!!!

    http://www.spa.gov.sa/details.php?id=832736&lite=
    الرياض 26 ذو القعدة 1431 هـ المــوافق 03 نوفمبر 2010 م واس
    // مطلوب تكرار إذاعة ونشر الإعلان التالي أيام الخميس والجمعة والسبت 27 و 28 و 29 / 11 / 1431هـ //
    دعت المحكمة العليا عموم المسلمين في جميع أنحاء المملكة إلى تحري رؤية هلال شهر ذي الحجة مساء يوم السبت 29/11/1431هـ حسب تقويم أم القرى ، فإن لم ير فيُتحرى مساء يوم الأحد 1/12/1431هـ حسب تقويم أم القرى .
    جاء ذلك في بيان صدر عن المحكمة العليا فيما يأتي نصه :
    الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله وبعد : فنظرا للتقارير الواردة الى المحكمة العليا من اللجان المشكلة لترائي الأهلة في مناطق المملكة بمشاركة مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية المتضمنة عدم رؤية هلال شهر ذي القعدة لا بالعين المجردة ولابواسطة المناظير ليلة السبت 1/11/1431هـ حسب تقويم أم القرى ، ونظرا لثبوت دخول شهر شوال يوم الجمعة 1 / 10 / 1431هـ حسب تقويم أم القرى .
    وبناء على الأمر السامي البرقي رقم 6605/ب وتاريخ 15/ 6 / 1430هـ وعلى قراري هيئة كبار العلماء رقم /2/ في 13/8/1392هـ ورقم / 108/ في 2/1/1403هـ وعلى لائحة تحري رؤية هلال أوائل الشهور القمرية الصادرة بقرار مجلس الوزارء رقم 143 وتاريخ 22/8/1418هـ ، فإن المحكمة العليا بالمملكة العربية السعودية ترغب من عموم المسلمين في جميع أنحاء المملكة تحري رؤية هلال شهر ذي الحجة مساء يوم السبت 29/11/1431هـ حسب تقويم أم القرى الموافق 6/نوفمبر تشرين الثاني /2010م ، فأن لم ير فيُتحرى رؤية الهلال مساء يوم الأحد 1/12/1431هـ حسب تقويم أم القرى الموافق 7/نوفمبر تشرين الثاني /2010م .
    وترجو المحكمة العليا ممن يراه بالعين المجردة أوبواسطة المناظير إبلاغ أقرب محكمة إليه وتسجيل شهادته لديها ، أو الإتصال بأقرب مركز لمساعدته في الوصول الى أقرب محكمة .
    وتود المحكمة من جميع المترائين الانضمام الى اللجان المشكلة في المناطق لهذا الغرض ، وتأمل ممن لديه القدة على الترائي الإهتمام بالأمر والمشاركة فيه والإحتساب لما فيه من التعاون على البر والتقوى .
    والله الموفق ، وصلى الله وسلم وبارك على نبينا محمد وعلى آله وأصحابه أجمعين .
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    In English:

    http://www.spa.gov.sa/English/details.php?id=832835
    Riyadh, Dhu Al-Qa'dah 26, 1431/ Nov 3, 2010, SPA --The Supreme Court has called on all Muslims in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to sight the crescent of the Lunar Month of Dhu Al-Hijjah on Saturday evening 29/11/1431H according to Umm Al-Qura Calendar, but if not seen at that date it should be sighted on Sunday evening 1/12/1431.

    In an announcement issued today, the Supreme Court also requested whoever sees the crescent of Dhu Al-Hijjah to report to the nearest court and register his testimony, or report to the authority of the region’s governorate if there is no judge in the area where he sighted the crescent in order to facilitate reaching the nearest court.
    The Supreme Court also urges all Muslims to sight the Crescent for the cooperation of all in righteousness and piety.
    --SPA
    16:05 LOCAL TIME 13:05 GMT
    What does this mean in English?

    They want Muslims to start sighting the moon on the 28th of the Month...

    You must be wondering WHY on Earth would you sight the moon on the 28th?

    BECAUSE In Saudia on the evening of Friday 8th of October 2010, it was 29th of Shawwal and no announcement was made. 26 days later TODAY (03NOV2010) it has been announced that the moon was not sighted via naked eye or telescope.

    The announcement today implies that 29th of Dhul-Qadah SHOULD BE on Sunday the 7th of November BUT the "Pre-Calculated Calender" says that 29th of Dhul-Qadah SHOULD BE on Saturday the 6th of November so people are being asked to sight the moon on the 28th!

    And people remain none the wiser!

    None of this is actually translated or implied in English statement which is very brief.

    : - ) And people in UK want us to follow this! : - )
    Last edited by Colonel_Hardstone; 04-11-2010 at 02:01 PM.


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    Default Re: Another Saudi Arabian Moon sighting SHOCKER!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel_Hardstone View Post
    In English:



    What does this mean in English?

    Thursday (03NOV2010)= 26 th of Dhu Al-Qa'dah
    Friday (04NOV2010)= 27 th of Dhu Al-Qa'dah
    Saturday (05NOV2010)= 28 th of Dhu Al-Qa'dah

    They want Muslims to start sighting the moon on the 28th of the Month...

    You must be wondering WHY on Earth would you sight the moon on the 28th?

    BECAUSE In Saudia on the evening of Friday 8th of October 2010, it was 29th of Shawwal and no announcement was made. 26 days later TODAY (03NOV2010) it has been announced that the moon was not sighted via naked eye or telescope.

    The announcement today implies that 29th of Dhul-Qadah SHOULD BE on Sunday the 7th of November BUT the "Pre-Calculated Calender" says that 29th of Dhul-Qadah SHOULD BE on Saturday the 6th of November so people are being asked to sight the moon on the 28th!

    And people remain none the wiser!

    None of this is actually translated or implied in English statement which is very brief.

    : - ) And people in UK want us to follow this! : - )
    As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

    Sorry, but I think you'll find that most people consider it the 26th of Dhul Hijjah today, so Saturday will be the 29th of Dhul Hijjah. See moonsighting.com


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    Default Re: Another Saudi Arabian Moon sighting SHOCKER!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Zayd al-Atharee View Post
    As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

    Sorry, but I think you'll find that most people consider it the 26th of Dhul Hijjah today, so Saturday will be the 29th of Dhul Hijjah. See moonsighting.com
    Brother,

    Sorry that I made a mistake in my explaination of days and may Allah (SWT) reward you in pointing it out (Ameen).

    Attached is the full explaination and hopfully the table will come out:

    08 October 2010 29 No Moon sighted Via Naked Eye OR telescope (announced 26 days later today)
    09 October 2010 30 So Saudia completed 30 days of Shawwal
    10 October 2010 1 Dhul-Qadah started (announced 26 days later today)
    11 October 2010 2
    12 October 2010 3
    13 October 2010 4
    14 October 2010 5
    15 October 2010 6
    16 October 2010 7
    17 October 2010 8
    18 October 2010 9
    19 October 2010 10
    20 October 2010 11
    21 October 2010 12
    22 October 2010 13
    23 October 2010 14
    24 October 2010 15
    25 October 2010 16
    26 October 2010 17
    27 October 2010 18
    28 October 2010 19
    29 October 2010 20
    30 October 2010 21
    31 October 2010 22
    01 November 2010 23
    02 November 2010 24
    03 November 2010 25
    04 November 2010 26
    05 November 2010 27
    06 November 2010 28

    BUT According to Ummul-Qura Calender indeed 03NOV = 26 Dhul-Qadah so they have tried to do a "manual alignment" but according to their own announcement of "No Sighting" they are asking people to sight the crescent of the 28th day!

    That's the point.


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    Lightbulb Wifaqul-Ulama statement on Saudi Sighting

    It has never been the Wifaq ul Ulama position to speculate on the declarations of the Saudi Supreme court, but this time the Saudi Press Agency press release below, has taken us all by surprise, and there has been a steady influx of emails requesting us for comments and guidance. Please read below:

    Full Statement of Wifaqul-Ulama (UK)

    This statement has been released with a clear understanding that as Ulama, we are duty bound to preach that, which is right and correct and in accordance with the principles of our Holy Shariah, and forbid that which is wrong and evil, as we can understand from the Qur’aanic verses below:

    [3:104] “Let there arise out of you a group inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong. They are the ones to attain success.”


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    Default Re: Wifaqul-Ulama statement on Saudi Sighting



    I am amazed everyday at how much Saudi Arabia has betrayed Islam and Muslims, and yet how much some people blindly follow Saudi Arabia.

    It seems like Saudi Arabia is a major factor in the problems our Ummah faces right now.


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    Default Re: Wifaqul-Ulama statement on Saudi Sighting

    Quote Originally Posted by maneatinglizard View Post


    I am amazed everyday at how much Saudi Arabia has betrayed Islam and Muslims, and yet how much some people blindly follow Saudi Arabia.

    It seems like Saudi Arabia is a major factor in the problems our Ummah faces right now.
    personally i wont fully agree with the above statement regards to the moon sighting issue. i personally dont believe the problems are caused intentionally - the reporting system and criteria they have is just very open to errors.


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    Default Re: Another Saudi Arabian Moon sighting SHOCKER!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel_Hardstone View Post
    Brother,

    Sorry that I made a mistake in my explaination of days and may Allah (SWT) reward you in pointing it out (Ameen).

    Attached is the full explaination and hopfully the table will come out:

    08 October 2010 29 No Moon sighted Via Naked Eye OR telescope (announced 26 days later today)
    09 October 2010 30 So Saudia completed 30 days of Shawwal
    10 October 2010 1 Dhul-Qadah started (announced 26 days later today)
    11 October 2010 2
    12 October 2010 3
    13 October 2010 4
    14 October 2010 5
    15 October 2010 6
    16 October 2010 7
    17 October 2010 8
    18 October 2010 9
    19 October 2010 10
    20 October 2010 11
    21 October 2010 12
    22 October 2010 13
    23 October 2010 14
    24 October 2010 15
    25 October 2010 16
    26 October 2010 17
    27 October 2010 18
    28 October 2010 19
    29 October 2010 20
    30 October 2010 21
    31 October 2010 22
    01 November 2010 23
    02 November 2010 24
    03 November 2010 25
    04 November 2010 26
    05 November 2010 27
    06 November 2010 28

    BUT According to Ummul-Qura Calender indeed 03NOV = 26 Dhul-Qadah so they have tried to do a "manual alignment" but according to their own announcement of "No Sighting" they are asking people to sight the crescent of the 28th day!

    That's the point.
    mabye they assuming the previous month was calculated incorrectly so it would be infact the 29th night. oh no the saudis are doubting themselves. highly unlikely. by the way why should this come as a shock they have been doing this for 60 years or something


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