Own Blood Left Islam..

[Salikah Muslimah]

Asalamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullah,

As title says...deleted the text for somebody's sake.

[ssjkakarot]

Wa alaykum salam,

May Allah guide him toward Islam. I realise this must be a difficult time for you sister. InshaAllah he finds guidance.

He should know that reading a translation of the Quraan which cannot capture the full message of the original and coming up with 'contradictions' is foolhardy. If he was sincere in wanting to seek the true message, he should first learn Arabic, then read it with an open mind.

Secondly, Quran cannot be read in isolation. There are abrogated verses and other ambigious ones which require the explanation of either hadith and/or the early mujtahid Imams. This is why taqleed is important. A non-Arabic speaker with nil knowledge of Arabic, hadith, the circumstances of revelation, the rules of abrogation (for both hadith and Quran) is hardly in a position to critically analyse the scriptutes (off a translation, no less!). His ego has gotten the better of him, unfortunately.

Perhaps if he were to list out the 'contradictions' he saw. That way we can address them.

[suleimanibnsalim]

Well, clearly he has rejected the idea of Allah's existance, so it would be logical to start with that first.

Ask him to pen down a refutation of the following article, which is from the best summaries of the mutakallimun: http://www.defending-islam.com/page272.html

was-salam

[suleimanibnsalim]

Just get him to refute the article I posted, and that will be a perfect starting point. It will indicate whether he is serious in his beleifs, and has actually thought it out.

[seekeroftruth2]

Since your brother has become a murtad,shouldn't your family be planning to kill him?

[mundo]

Since your brother has become a murtad,shouldn't your family be planning to kill him?

No, that is something only a muslim goverment can do., If a murtad was in an Islamic state the state can do it. Individual citizens can not take the law into their own hands.

[seekeroftruth2]

No, that is something only a muslim goverment can do., If a murtad was in an Islamic state the state can do it. Individual citizens can not take the law into their own hands.

So that means that if her brother would have been living in an Islamic state, the state would have been duty bound to kill him if he professed his beliefs. I guess in that case the family would have to report it to the state in order to ensure that they kill their son/brother. BTW, where does it say in the Quran or the Hadith that the killing has to be done by a State. Why can't he be killed by his own family?

[pluto]

Sw.

didn't read sister's post fully, because i'm mighty mighty scared of threads like these which could put me in doubt.

i humbly request sister Salikah to please delete what your brother has to say about Islam, please x 100

how I wish mods would do something so that threads such as these are not in the public domain but could be answered by the Ulema / Scholars like abuhajira, Saad & Mufti Husain and others...

Sis, get a scholar to visit your home and answer your bro, DO SOMETHING ANYTHING BEFORE HE BECOME THE FUEL ! MAKE DUA 24/7 ! SADQAH !

[a_muslim]

May Allah guide him. Ameen.

May be you should try and get brother DefendingIslam of SF in contact with him. Masha Allah, he's an expert on things related to this. His website (article frm it was posted by brother suleiman) is awesome. I'm sure he'll be on this thread soon anyway.

@ seekeroftruth2: Make your own thread for that discussion instead of derailing this thread. Youve asked similar questions before and been answered.

[seekeroftruth2]

Sw.

didn't read sister's post fully, because i'm mighty mighty scared of threads like these which could put me in doubt.

i humbly request sister Salikah to please delete what your brother has to say about Islam, please x 100

how I wish mods would do something so that threads such as these are not in the public domain but could be answered by the Ulema / Scholars like abuhajira, Saad & Mufti Husain and others...

Sis, get a scholar to visit your home and answer your bro, DO SOMETHING ANYTHING BEFORE HE BECOME THE FUEL ! MAKE DUA 24/7 ! SADQAH !

I guess your iman must be pretty weak to be scared of being in doubt because of a simple thread and what a person has to say about Islam.