Own Blood Left Islam..

[ahmad12]

If you do not have time to respond now, respond at a later date.

[Abdul Muktadir]

Brother Kashmir, please hold your tongue. We shall talk to him logically, and if he chooses not to respond using basic courtesy and logic himself, then he should be banned. If he replies within the confines of common sense and polite manners, he will not be banned

Regarding you, Abdul Muktadir, please consider the following argument

1. God is the source of all morality
2. God says that an apostate from Islam is killed, under an Islamic government
3. Therefore, it is perfectly moral for apostasty from Islam to carry the death penalty

Tell me where you see the 'flaws' in this argument

Regarding your point about Islam being violent; even if Islam is violent (according to you), this does not negate its truthfulness.

Right I don't wish to debate mate, but why death? Why kill a sacred life due to leaving a faith?

I don't believe god is the source of morality. Morals come from ourselves.

If I gave you a serial rapist and killer, would you say he has been influenced from God's morals?

[ahmad12]

Right I don't wish to debate mate, but why death? Why kill a sacred life due to leaving a faith?

I don't believe god is the source of morality. Morals come from ourselves.

If I gave you a serial rapist and killer, would you say he has been influenced from God's morals?

Your argument doesn't make sense. Regarding the 'why death'- because God says so. He is All Knowing, All Wise. Also consider the fact that asking the question 'why does God command such and such' doesn't negate the fact that God commands it

If you believe morals come from yourselves, then there are no morals, other than pure subjectivity. And it makes no sense to admit God's existence, yet to to deny His being the source of morality

Regarding the serial killer and rapist, he has obviously followed his own morals, and left those given by God (which is to not murder, and to not rape). If left with your idea of morals coming from humans, then that is what we are left with

Just to let you know, the only way to defeat the argument would be to show that the premises are untrue, or that the conclusion does not follow the premises. Anything else has nothing to do with the argument

[Abdul Muktadir]

I don't want to respond, you can call me a coward and no brainer; but I see you're not going to acknoweledge my point.

As formentioned, could you please close this thread? I want this to be a family issue, not a forum based thread.

Thank you in advance.

[ahmad12]

I responded to every single one of your points. Which did I leave?

[Abdul Muktadir]

It's not that. I don't want a debate.

My motive coming back here has been blatant.

[ahmad12]

I've not read through the whole thread so don't know what your motive is other than that you want this thread closed. I will also call for the thread to be closed, only if the original poster wishes for the thread to be closed. While we want to take your feelings into consideration, we also have to consider the wishes of your sister, who may want advice relating to your family issue.

The point of family issues is that you arem't the only one having to deal with them. If she wants to deal with them by asking for advice on this forum, then she is perfectly within her right to do so

Hope you understand

Note- I am not a moderator so decisions do not go through me

[Abdul Muktadir]

Ok, if my sister wishes so then so be it. This will most likely be the last post from me on this forum.

Take care you lot, and I plead for acceptence and open mindness.

[ahmad12]

In that case, I plead that you come back sometime and have a chat And all the mods will ensure no one cusses you, as long as you also do not do the same, I'm sure

[UmHasan]

I know you’ve had enough of strangers poking their nose into your life, but allow me to say this much, not as a Muslim but just as an onlooker to this whole story: Your family have only done what any loving family would do. They are true Muslims and believe in their heart that Islam is the only solution. Therefore their distress and anguish is only out of love and concern for you. If they had left you to work out your problems without intervening or without seeking help from outside the family when they were lost for solutions, it would have been tantamount to rejecting and neglecting you.

The CEMB may appear to have opened their arms and welcomed you lovingly now, but it is only because you have accepted their way of thinking and ideology. Would they have shown you the same acceptance and love if you opposed their way of thought? Would they be as tolerant of me, if I went to their forum and discussed my beliefs? I think not. Don’t let their affections delude you.

Finally, as a Muslim, I cannot help but feel immense sadness at your decision. I hope you will take the time to sit with someone knowledgeable in Islam and put forward to them all the objections you have about Islam. Take a Quran, read it and highlight all that you are uncomfortable with. Then discuss these points with a learned person. You may not change your mind, but at least you will have given yourself the chance to address your concerns in a calm and rational manner and through the correct means. This is something you owe yourself, as a human being.

Please sleep over this last suggestion of mine. You may decide not to take it on board, but if you do come back here and I will suggest someone to you, local or online. Lastly, (I hate it when I sound soppy and go into clichés, but..) if you need to discuss anything, we are always here for you. You can post in the sensitive QA section and this will not be visible to the public.