Own Blood Left Islam..

[marco100]

I've not read through the whole thread so don't know what your motive is other than that you want this thread closed. I will also call for the thread to be closed, only if the original poster wishes for the thread to be closed. While we want to take your feelings into consideration, we also have to consider the wishes of your sister, who may want advice relating to your family issue.

The point of family issues is that you arem't the only one having to deal with them. If she wants to deal with them by asking for advice on this forum, then she is perfectly within her right to do so

Hope you understand

Note- I am not a moderator so decisions do not go through me

the point should be debated only because a life based on irrational behaviour full of emotion leads only to self destruction. fulfilling nafs or base desires because it feels good only eats away at the soul because it's a trap. one who feels they are "free" are in fact the opposite because their ability to function is de facto controlled by feeding their nafs or base desires. if one doesn't feed this nafs or more importantly doesn't fulfill it it is the road to ruin.

look at how the "free" west which is a society rooted in fulfilling every single wish the nafs desires has the highest rate of depression and suicide. it's no coincidence. how is that being free when you can't function without alcohol, sex, porn, interest, murder, rape etc etc?. Does one honestly think that's freedom???

so to the brother of the OP, think long and hard about what you're about to embark on because if you can't rationalise your actions like the vast majority of apostates, then you haven't achieved anything other than short term gratification.

the fact that you won't debate it is self explanatory. life is about one thing: sincerity.

how sincere are you really? don't answer that now. go away, take your exams, but when you're on your own, just ask yourself that question......"how sincere am i in knowing the truth?"

[nuke]

Brother Kashmir are you feeling okay bro ?

@Brother Abdul Muktadir : We understand that you need both time and peronal space of your own
and i appologize on behalf of other members ( no really ) at the way all this tuned out the way it did.

I understand that you feel hurt, betrayed and offended seeing your entire life pasted on these forums
for all to discuss and analyse. I do hope and pray though that this phase you are going through will lead
you back to the oasis of islam with a stronger conviction as trust me brother many have tried but couldn't find an alternative to islam.

InshAllah once you spend more time with your other friends you will see who shallow this facade really
is and trust me you think you have seen all that Islam had to offer you but i guess some people chose to
walk in darkness to realize what niamah light really is.

We wish you well in your studies and life.

EDIT : err.. sorry i was responding to kashmir's post but it looks some sensible people are back on the thread
so just ignore this post and carry on .

[ahmad12]

Is this the translation by Abdul Majid Daryabadi mentioned earlier?

http://www.simplyislam.com/the-glori...an-52462.html#

[loveProphet]

Pity that AM has decided not to continue discussions through email even though he gave me his criteria for the acceptance of miracles and I offered to show him miracles that meet his criteria.

Allahu A'lem

[Schwar]

Salam Brother AM,
I am not sure if you would ever read my post. But just in case.
I can understand the predicament you must be going over. If your intentions are correct, I pray that IA you will ultimately find the right path.
All I can say brother that Islam is being hijacked by violent fools and it is the duty of sane minded muslims to make their presence felt and salvage it. But it doesn't mean that you need to forsake relgion to save yourself from this abuse.

I would like to quote a Christian nun in my school who had said once.

"Islam is the best religion but its followers are the worse"

I would suggest you to start a fresh and fight with the extremists in Islam who are maligning it.
Understand that Islam does not preach hatred,the hatred and illwill is being preached by people like Osama BL who are the greatest enemies of Islam

Regards

[Dawud Israel]

@Sakina and Abdul Muktadir

Allah
Allah
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Welcome to the Sunniforums Abdul Muktadir

Alright, I'm back to give my perspective on what its like to be an apostate. It seems most of the brothers on here have not failed to make an arse out of themselves and be the regular embarrassment to Islam that they know deep down they are. Too bad only a few know how to be patient with each others shortcomings.

Apostasy from Islam is inconceivable for those who have really experienced Islam. How can you replace something as big, as true and as experiential as Islam? Its unforgettable for those who really felt it. This is why I came back. Its not something you just get up and walk away from. You can't fill that God-shaped blank in your heart with anything other than God. Its clear Abdul Muktadir seems to lack this experience and never really tried to be a real Muslim in the eyes of God, but only to appear a believer in the eyes of his parents and his community. And you can see this clearly if you read how he's chronicling his experience with Islam as if he were a suicidal Russian novelist, when in fact, he is only lonely 16 year old struggling with hormones, weak self-confidence and the usual teenage angst. Furthermore, the way he has written I am sure is meant more to convince himself than to convince others. You can't handle being a Muslim and you can't handle being an apostate- what can you handle? Your troubles are not about God or religion, your real problems are with your parents and your (lack of) confidence. You just need someone to talk to is all.

Apostasy is an easy escape. Shaytan makes people think that they have sullied their eman beyond repair with their sins but this is a lie. God tests us and makes us repair it and helps us repair it to show we care about this relationship with God. You think becoming an apostate frees you from the guilt of sinning but it really doesn't. Now, you have to deal with the guilt of disappointment and hurting your family in a way you cannot imagine--were they to hurt you in the same way, you would not be able to bear it, but they have a firm grasp on the Rope of Allah and there are stories of early Muslim families being split due to religion. The other problem is that this sets a precedent for running away from your problems...when Abdul Muktadir faces similar problems in the future, he will try and run away until he realizes he can't run forever.

The beauty of the struggles with Islam, of fitting in, balancing it with our culture and society, and modernity, is that we grow through them. We sin but we try and we overcome, bit by bit, and keep trying. Those struggles mould us and make us worthy in the eyes of God and admirable in the eyes of the people around us, Muslims or non-Muslim. That is the reason why if we slip into an agnosticism or atheism, we eliminate the most powerful emotions and the most truest stories about what it is to be human. Really the truest expressions of the potential of our humanity are found in religious stories and religious inspiration- and in Islam most of all. When we fail, Islam helps us get back up and succeed. But the reality is the only support left without Islam is alcohol, drugs and narcotics. Courage and sacrifice come from sincere belief and conviction in some One Greater- if you don't really stand up for anything, you can fall for anything.

The choice of apostasy is characterized by periods of high emotional turbidity, anger and frustration where he feels he cannot do anything...anything meaningful. Its powerlessness. So leaving Islam feels like doing something, or achieving something, just as people who go to Christianity or decide to become extremists and turn to violence. Its a desperation and a hopelessness. A real Muslim knows that he cannot really do anything without the permission of God first. But this malcontent is therefore not characteristic only of apostates and is unfortunately common among many Muslims- and it is precisely this malcontent and dissatisfaction with Islam that leaves us vulnerable. When Dajjal comes he will exploit this malcontent so its important to affirm that you are satisfied with Allah as your Lord, Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam) as your Prophet and Islam as your Religion. This is in the Sunnah dhikr-- raditu billahi rabba wa bil-islama deenan wa muhammadan nabiya...but note that in that dhikr there is nothing mentioned about being satisfied with the Muslim community and so our faith is not dependent on us being satisfied with every single Muslim out there...we must be satisfied and have a good opinion only of Allah, His Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) and be satisfied with Islam as your religion because these are the articles of faith- our articles of belief are not 'relativistic ethics' where good and bad are set by the norms and conformity of the society around us- that is not our theology. Yes, we give benefit of the doubt to the believers but that is a different story since its all about helping each other.

Building yaqin is normal for Muslims. It doesn't come in 10 minutes but perhaps in 10 years. Its the lived experience of practicing Islam wherein we find the truest answers to our deepest doubts about our existence. Imam Ghazali explains this (with commentary from Dr. Abdul Hakim Sherman Jackson)

“Faith in God comes of a light that God casts into the hearts of His servants, as a gift and a gratuity from Him. True faith (al-iman al-rasikh) is the faith of the masses that develops in their hearts from childhood due to their constant exposure (to religious material), or that accrues to them after they have reached the age of majority as a result of experiences that they cannot fully articulate.’ “

–the difference between being informed and coming to a realization might be likened to the difference between hearing the words, “I love you,” after one and after forty years of marriage.

…speaks of the means via which one comes to realize the truth of the prophethood of Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam). It is by experiencing, in other words, the truth of such Prophetic teachings as, ‘Whoever acts on the basis of what they know, Allah will grant them knowledge of what they do not know,’ or ‘Whoever assists an evil-doer (zalim), Allah will eventually turn the latter against them,’ that one comes to realize the truth of the Prophet’s message.

“this is the means by which you should seek certainty of (a claim to) prophethood, not by (a person’s) turning a staff into a snake or splitting the moon. For when you observe the latter alone without the benefit of extraneous corroborative indicators too numerous to count, you may think that you are observing a feat of magic or a phantasm or that this is simply a test from God via which He intends to lead people astray. For, indeed, ‘He leads astray whomever He wills and He guides whomever He wills.’” —Munqidh

15 Timeless Ghazalian Insights and Maxims

I suggest Abdul Muqtadir be given time. This is just teenage angst and I suggest family counseling, and perhaps seeing if there is depression or perhaps if someone is negatively influencing him. Its amazing how common these phases are.

Suggested links:

Leaving Islam - Question and Response

Shariah, Apostasy, Music and interacting with non-Muslims - Shaykh Abdullah Adhami

Being Kind to your Parents - Mufti Muhammad bin Adam al-Kawthari

Caring for Parents in their Old Age to Enter Jannah - Mufti Muhammad bin Adam al-Kawthari

The Sin and Penalty of Breaking Family Ties in Islam - Mufti Muhammad bin Adam al-Kawthari

Having Affection for your Children - Mufti Muhammad bin Adam al-Kawthari

[maneatinglizard]

Like I said multiple times now, he hasn't apostatized for any reason other than because he wants to. The embracing of Richard Dawkins, etc. is just a front, and once he realizes that humanity does not face suffering and and discord because of religion, but because of humanity itself, perhaps then he will be willing to give Islam a chance.

At this point, he unfortunately doesn't want the truth, so proving Islam true is completely pointless.

[shazuli]

Ya Allah.... You are our One and Only Protector.... Ya Allah

[ChaCha42]

This is really a very sad occassion sister, I hope your brother comes back into the fold of Islam stronger in his faith than ever before. Ameen.

I understand your efforts in trying to bring him back into the fold of Islam, but ultimately hidayat is in the hands of Allah swt. Even the beloved uncle of Rasool Sallalahu Allaihi Wassalam did not accept islam and neither did one of the sons on Nooh AS. My suggestion would be to continue making dua as it seems the more you try to convince him the further he strays. Allah willing with time he will repent and realise that Allah Swt is not in need of us and it does not make a difference to Allah Swt in the least bit if 4/5 people in this world reject his message. The truth will always be the truth it is not dependant on anyone accepting it or not.

May Allah Swt keep our feet firm, take us from this world with Iman and ressurruct us on the day of qiyamah with Imaan. Ameen.