Sheikh Kishk r.A. Talks About Where is Allah :)

[Yousef al-Khattab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFZKWizpKLs

[Transcendentalist]

Rahima'llahu Shaykh Kishk and all defenders of the Sunna, including Islamtarihe, his videos are very beneficial.

[Sulaiman84]

His voice is enough to take the wax outta ya ears.

[Transcendentalist]

His voice is enough to take the wax outta ya ears.

Egyptians are known for the extra musicality in their speech. For an unfamiliar person, it would seem as though the shaykh is angry رحمه الله, but notice how the voice goes down midway through the video.

[Sulaiman84]

Egyptians are know for the extra musicality in their speech. For an unfamiliar person, it would seem as though the shaykh رحمه الله, but notice how the voice goes down midway through the video.

Yeah....they sorta mastered the art.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

I wonder why the Salaf didn't think of that.

وقد علقه الإمام البخاري في خلق أفعال العباد 36 فقال:" وقال الفضيل : إذا قال لك جهمي أنا أكفر بربّ يزول عن مكانه، فقل: أنا أومن برب يفعل ما يشاء"،

[Transcendentalist]

I wonder why the Salaf didn't think of that.

وقد علقه الإمام البخاري في خلق أفعال العباد 36 فقال:" وقال الفضيل : إذا قال لك جهمي أنا أكفر بربّ يزول عن مكانه، فقل: أنا أومن برب يفعل ما يشاء"،

Why, they did! The salaf رضي الله عنهم have indeed confirmed Allah's tanazzuh concerning place and time.

Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib كرم الله وجهه:

" كان الله ولا مكان وهو الآن على ما عليه كان " رواه أبو منصور البغدادي في كتابه الفَرق بين الفرَق.

Imam Abu Ja'afar at-tahawi رضي الله عنه:

" تعالى (يعني الله) عن الحدود والغايات والأركان والأعضاء والأدوات ولا تحويه الجهات الست كسائر المبتدعات "

Not to mention that imam al-Asha'ari and imam Al-Maturidi رضي الله عنهما are salafi themselves.

But no one denies that the sceince of kalam was devolopped during the earlier generation, but that doesn't say anything concerning its validity. Someone who think otherwise should also reject most Islamic sciences since thery were either inexistent during the time of Sahabah or were known in a very different form than what the Nation knew later.

These developments in Islamic knowledge doen't go under the cloak of bida'a, since they were due to the necessity, mainly the withering of 'ilm in the Islamic community and the appearance of deviant groups.

والله أعلم

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

Why, they did! The salaf رضي الله عنهم have indeed confirmed Allah's tanazzuh concerning place and time.

Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib كرم الله وجهه:

" كان الله ولا مكان وهو الآن على ما عليه كان " رواه أبو منصور البغدادي في كتابه الفَرق بين الفرَق.

So much confidence, yet I believe that's the one without a riwaya.

Imam Abu Ja'afar at-tahawi رضي الله عنه:

" تعالى (يعني الله) عن الحدود والغايات والأركان والأعضاء والأدوات ولا تحويه الجهات الست كسائر المبتدعات "

Right, and that in relation to what al-fudhail, means what?

imam al-Asha'ari and imam Al-Maturidi رضي الله عنهما are salafi themselves.

But their 'aqeedah different with the ahlul athar/salaf/hanabilah, right?

Okay, so back to my first statement. I wonder why the Salaf who were Salafi in aqeedah didn't think of that?

Lasty, I can care less what type of reasoning you can come up for 'ilm al-kalaam because you are wasting your breathe, why are you so quick to jump upon the "it's not bida'ah" when I never said anything like that?

[Transcendentalist]

Right, and that in relation to what al-fudhail, means what?

Even if the attribution of that khabar to imam al-fudayl رضي الله عنه was true, we still affirmd wha the jama' has affirmed, that there things which may not be attributed to Allah سبحانه و تعالى. something which doesn't contradict His omni-potence. No wonder upon putting that quote on google, one of the results on the first page was a Nazarean web site, and without opening the link, it's clear that they would use this quote to validate the incarnation or that God could make himself to become three persons أستغفر الله.

But their 'aqeedah different with the ahlul athar/salaf/hanabilah, right?

I'm afraid not. If you mean the athar of the Prophet and companions and the follower, then the Aqeedah of Iam abul-Hasan and Imam Abul-Mansur is in complete accordance with the athar, if, however, you're referring to another athar, then maybe. It's also ain accordance with the ijma' of the salaf, which they were part of. Imam Ahmad رضي الله عنه has also adhered to the ijma' in the aqeedah, even though he had some opinions basedon which some the people who attribute themselves to him have built their bida', it's batil built on haqq.

Lasty, I can care less what type of reasoning you can come up for 'ilm al-kalaam because you are wasting your breathe, why are you so quick to jump upon the "it's not bida'ah" when I never said anything like that?

That was a general statement which I found fitting to mention there. Many people believe that certain sciences like taçawwuf and kalam are bida' because they weren't known by name during the life of the Prophet and the companions, which is not how we jduge what's bida' and what's not.

[Ansari]

I wonder why the Salaf didn't think of that.

وقد علقه الإمام البخاري في خلق أفعال العباد 36 فقال:" وقال الفضيل : إذا قال لك جهمي أنا أكفر بربّ يزول عن مكانه، فقل: أنا أومن برب يفعل ما يشاء"،

Do you even know Arabic? He is quoting the Jahmi who thinks Allah is in place. It seems the Salafis are the Jahmis of today who believe Allah is in a place. Then he answers: فقل : انا أؤمن برب يفعل ما يشاء

You fail again.

The one who believes Allah is in a place is a murtad. His marriage is invalid and all his good deeds are in vain. As mentioned by all 4 schools of thought.