Any brothers/sisters here from, or have ties to Jhelum, Pakistan?

[Haq Chaar Yaar]

Hope you are all in the best of health - Ameen

I am hoping to gather more information about a particular 'Haq Chaar Yaar movement’, which if I am correct started in Jhelum, and uses the below flag, as their 'logo', and also gather more bayaans by some specific Ulema, which I will go in detail about, later

What I already know (which may or may not be 100% correct!)
This particular 'movement' idea grew from the opening of the Jamia Hanfia Madrassa (also known as the Gumbad Wali Masjid), in Jhelum by Qazi Muhammed Abdul Lateef (Late)(of Jhelum), alongside Qazi Mazhar Hussain (Late) (of Chakwal) & Molana Allah Huda Yaar (Late) (of Jhelum). From what I have gathered it, it was started to counter the growing popularity of the Shia faith in Pakistan, in the early ‘70s/80’s, especially their practices of abusing the Khulaf-e-Rashdeen, the companions of our beloved Nabi , and the Ummu l-Mu'minin (RA).

It is strictly an educational movement, and has NO TIES to any violent activity within Pakistan & does not promote violence, to the best of my knowledge - Allah (SWT) knows best.

SF members from Jhelum will know more about the movement or at least more about the mosque. Any information, to the daily running of the madrassa, the history, active Ulema etc would be greatly appreciated. I also want to increase my library of bayaans by any of the above mentioned Ulema, and in particular I would really appreciate it, if someone can point me in the right direction to where I can download/purchase bayaans by Qazi Muhammed Lateef's son, Qari Khobaib Ahmed Umer (also known as Qari Khobaib).

, I had the pleasure of meeting Qari Khobaib Ahmed Umer , but Qari Khobaib passed away in Birmingham in February 2009, whilst visiting the UK on dawah/fundraising activities. At the namaz-e-janaz of Qari Khobaib saab, I was told that they were overseeing the running of the Gumbad Wali Masjid, as well over 30 other madrassas.

To those brother & sisters who are from Jhelum, or have ties to the Madrassa, please make yourself known, as you may be able to assist me in future queries, if not immediately, . Ultimately, the aim is to preserve the bayaan of these elders, and make them available online for other brothers & sisters.

Your assistance here will become sadaqah jariyah for yourself & me, .

Some further information.
The janaza of Qari Khobaib Ahmed Umer ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWbnMoqy-Ss

Some bayaan by Qazi Lateef;
http://www.tauheed-sunnat.com/sunnat...rs/qazi-lateef

Bayaan by Qazi Mazhar Hussain;
http://islamic-creed.com/Qazi%20Mazh...ssain%201.html

Some bayaan by Molana Allah Huda Yaar;
http://islamic-creed.com/Maulana%20A...0Yaar%201.html

Photo of Gumbad Wali Masjid

May Allah (SWT) bless them for their work in defending the Khulaf-e-Rashdeen (RA), the companions of our beloved Nabi , Ummu l-Mu’minin (RA) & educating others. Ameen.

for reading.

[Saad]

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Qazi Mazhar Husayn was a student and a khalifah of Mawlana Husayn Ahmad Madani. Here you can read Ilmi Muhasbah by him.

حضرت مولانا جلال پوری شہید علماء دیوبند کو صحیح اہل السنت والجماعت سمجھتے تھے
وہ فرماتے تھے کہ جس مسئلہ میں امام اہل السنت حضرت مولانا سرفراز خان صفدر رحمہ اللہ
اور حضرت مولانا قاضی مظہر حسین رحمہ اللہ خلیفہ مجاز
حضرت شیخ العرب والعجم مولانا حسین احمد مدنى متفق ہوں ، بس وہ میرا عقیدہ ہے۔

Mawlana Sa'id Ahmad Jalalpuri Shahid used to say that if Mawlana Sarfaraz Khan Safdar and Qadi Mazhar Husayn agree on something, then that is also my 'aqidah.

http://www.banuri.edu.pk/ur/node/1143

[Haq Chaar Yaar]

, Brother/respected elder, Saad.

I'm at work at the moment, and therefore unable to open the links in full, due to filters. I will have a look at them later, .

Are you from Pakistan/India, other?

Please note that I cannot read Urdu, although I can understand it pretty well. As the 'mini' project gathers somes momentum, I should have some brothers who are fluent in Urdu, assisting me,

May Allah (SWT) keep you in the khidmet of others, for Islam, Ameen.

[Haq Chaar Yaar]

A bump with a difference - enjoy the nazam;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv1YVI3j4d8

& please bear in mind any information would be greatly appreciated.

[The Nutty Proffesor]

gumbad wali masjid is not jamia hanfia its a branch and its in the bazaar. jamia hanfia is in madani mahallah. Qari sahibs name is Qari Hubaid Ahmad Umar. Qari Hubaibs son Maulana AbuBakr is in charge of the madrassah at the moment.
gumbad wali masjid was originally shia, until Maulana Jhelumi and some of his students took it over. therefore every year on 10 muharram the jamia students be inside during the shia juloos, only as a precaution.

[Haq Chaar Yaar]

Firstly, for replying and if you don’t mind me asking, are you from Jhelum?/What ties do you have to the Madrassa?

In terms of Jamia Hanfia Madrassa & Gumbad Wali Masjid not being the same madrassa, did you mean that the mosque that is referred to as the Gumbad Wali Masjid, is situated in Madani Bazaar, and the madrassa is on a different site?

I will need to again clarify the exact name of Qazi Muhammed Abdul Lateef’s (Late) son’s name, because I have always known him as Qari Mohammed Hubaib Umer Ahmed, but thank you for pointing this out – With all due respect to you, I will amend my opening post, once this has been confirmed, by my local source.

I am also aware that Molana Abubaker (Qazi Lateef’s grandson), is dealing with the day to day running of Jamia Hanfia, as he took the responsibility after his father passed away, in Birmingham, UK. I was at the janaza in Nottingham, as it was held at Jamia Al-Hudaa , which I have been informed is a girls primary school, run & managed by Qari Hubaib’s son-in-law.

Time permitting; I have planned to contact them, in the near future, via letter to help me move the project along, once I have clarified the right people, names & the information I require.

Its news to me that Gumbad Wali Masjid was originally Shia owned & managed & that Qazi Lateef took it over. If this is true, & wholly accurate, I am really surprised that no one has ever mentioned this to me, or that I have never come across this information before

In regards to Jamia students protecting their mosques during the Shia’s jaloos in Muharram, then brother I already knew about this, and that there is a lot of tension between the Sunni & Shias at this time. Past years have told me that the Shias hold their jaloos right outside the mosque door, where they chant their slogans & send lanat upon Hazrat Abubaker, Umer, Usman & Mahviya (RA)?
How bad is the situation there from you experiences?

I have heard a lot of other things that happen during Muharram to the mosque & madrassa, but once I know how you know this information/are connected to the Madrassa, I will share this with you.

for replying, and I really hope that I’ll see you on this thread again. I pray that Allah , grants you good in your life for sharing this information. Ameen

[Haq Chaar Yaar]

Nutty Professor, could you reply to this thread please?

[Aram]

Salaam

sorry a little off-topic but i was just wondering...

whats the different between HCY and SSP?

[Haq Chaar Yaar]

Salaam

sorry a little off-topic but i was just wondering...

whats the different between HCY and SSP?

In my opinion;

SSP are a lot more political (and rightly so)

HCY is more educational, if you like, and I’m trying to find out more about its roots, purpose, aim, the founders etc. There is not that much English literature available on this particular HCY movement, but it's a good cause, which I believe is an alternative to SSP, although I have full respect & love for SSP, its founders and bearers.

May Allah protect those, who strive to protect the companions of Hazrat Muhammed

[Muslim-Man]

First of all, you write the name as Khobaib , not Hubaib, i.e., قاری خبیب احمد عمر
and thanks. It is very kind of you for starting this nice thread so we can know about these Ulamas and their work.
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keep it up and keep it coming