A certain Barelwi practice

[sudoku]

br al-Zayn, the fact is that it does happen, perhaps not where you live.

In any case, let's keep on topic and not start arguing. It always seems to me that every thread has to turn into an argument.

[abulayl]

some TJ brother normally stands up and grabs the mic odf the imam to give a sermon, which is hugely distracting.

yes its wrong .According to ulama and elder of the work they supposed to wait a while and not announce immediately after the prayer as its become tradition overall.

[al_Zayn]

Assalamu Alaikum

I have witnessed brothers get up and give a mini speech in their announcement, and sunnah still has to be performed. I have also witnessed Imams start to read a brief taleem after salah and sunnah stll has to be performed.

Mini speech in their annoucement? it's either one or the other. They may say: baaki namaz ke baad.....(after the rest of the Salah) a bayan will be held on such and such so please remain seated brothers may Allah give you Jazaa.

Pay attention to my highlighted sentence, they aknolwedge there is further Prayers.

As for your sentence which i have highlighted, I have never seen such, even from the many Asian Masajid i have been to, back home to UK. The only time they do Ta`leem straight after prayer is after Fajr and `Asr, because there is no Prayers that follows them two.

Furthermore, there may be some cases, but this from what i know cannot be attributed to the TJ or the majority of them because it is not a general practice amongst them, as mentioned. But you have witnessed an Imam, so you should have asked why it was the case.

Whereas loud Dhikr, loud congregatioinal Dua are generally practiced by the people.

And also the announcement as well as loud congregational dua could disturb musallis who are still praying their missed rakats as well, so would it be fair to say that loud dhikr alone disturbs the musalis?

I have no qualms what you do, I was only talking about TJ's grabbing the mic off the Imam, and giving a sermon (not announcement of a bayan) when there is Sunnah still left to pray, which is fairy tales.

[SunniSeeker]

yes its wrong .According to ulama and elder of the work they supposed to wait a while and not announce immediately after the prayer as its become tradition overall.

at least there are people honest enough to acknowledge that it does occur.

So, not to be provocative or anything, should/could that be classed as bid'a and not merely brushed of as wrong or mistaken?

[abulayl]

So, not to be provocative or anything, should/could that be classed as bid'a and not merely brushed of as wrong or mistaken?

i would say the act is makruh if its done immediately after the prayer because it disturbs people at that time. But its done normally for programs like gasht or bayan or other activities, and not daily after every prayer.

the announcement is for management sake and not regular tradition.

[al_Zayn]

i would say the act is makruh if its done immediately after the prayer because it disturbs people at that time. But its done normally for programs like gasht or bayan or other activities, and not daily after every prayer.

the announcement is for management sake and not regular tradition.

What Bothers me Akh, people are equating loud dhikr, loud du'a etc after Salah with an announcement of a Bayan later - while the first 2 is the general practice of the Asian Communties, the latter is not. Announcment only happens when the TJ's visit the Masjid, they humbly get up mention a few sentences (not shouting) inform the people and sit down, grabbing the mic from the Imam and giving a sermon (while remaining prayers are still left) is fairy tales and made up fibs. if it happens it is a rare case, and we are not talking about rare cases in this thread, what is talked about is constant repeated practices.

My bone of contention is why on earth is an extremely rare practice (if not - non-existent, Wallahu A`lam) - i.e. TJ's grabbing the mic off the Imam and giving the actual sermon while remaining Salah is still yet to prayed - being equated with a constant and daily practice of Loud Dhikr and Loud Congregational Du`a after Fardh prayers????????????

It strikes me odd. When they find nothing, they look for petty things.

[abulayl]

What Bothers me Akh, people are equating loud dhikr, loud du'a etc after Salah with an announcement of a Bayan later - while the first 2 is the general practice of the Asian Communties, the latter is not.

yes, thats what i make it clear also that announcement and the practise which is mentioned in the topic are like comparing fruit with vegetable.

But its done normally for programs like gasht or bayan or other activities, and not daily after every prayer.

the announcement is for management sake and not regular tradition.

TJ's grabbing the mic off the Imam

grabbing the imam´s mike is rare but it exist 2-5%(obviously only in pro TJ masjid). what i mentioned as seen common a lot of places was "doing announcement immediately after the fard prayer".

[al_Zayn]

br al-Zayn, the fact is that it does happen, perhaps not where you live.

In any case, let's keep on topic and not start arguing. It always seems to me that every thread has to turn into an argument.

Sorry i have just seen your post.

Sister Do you believe TJ's grabbing the microphone off the Imam and giving the actual sermon when there is remaining prayers left to pray is the general case? if it's not the case, then i humbly request you to delete the mentioning of this act because the actual discussion is about constant practices 5 times a day / day in day out, it's not about rarities or people's hallucinations.

[al_Zayn]

yes, thats what i make it clear also that announcement and the practise which is mentioned in the topic are like comparing fruit with vegetable.

Then Alhamdulillah, i thought i was the one going bonkers on my own.

grabbing the imam´s mike is rare but it exist 2-5%(obviously only in pro TJ masjid). what i mentioned as seen common a lot of places was "doing announcement immediately after the fard prayer".

Yes it will be the case in a pro TJ Masjid, and the Imam will gladfully give the mic (because he knows it is a TJ run Masjid) to the person making an announcement at specific times or the Imam may makes the announcement themselves. The TJ need not grab it as inventors of fairy tales seem to make it out.

[sudoku]

Sorry i have just seen your post.

Sister Do you believe TJ's grabbing the microphone off the Imam and giving the actual sermon when there is remaining prayers left to pray is the general case? if it's not the case, then i humbly request you to delete the mentioning of this act because the actual discussion is about constant practices 5 times a day / day in day out, it's not about rarities or people's hallucinations.

I was just about to edit my post as I didn't read the other brother's post correctly. Maaf for misunderstanding. No I don't think it's the norm. I had mistakenly thought he was referring to the announcement, which do get a little too loud... although to be fair no one IMMEDIATELY after salaah gets up to pray their sunnats.. at least not what I have seen.

I agree with br Abu Layl here. I won't classify it as a bid'ah as the TJ bros don't consider it part of anything but an announcement.