Parents what is your view?

[hope1]

Brother, of course noone can guide someone who Allah has written misguidance for, but your concept that good or bad actions have no effect on your worldly life is simply wrong. And this does not contradict the concept of Taqdir at all.

مَنْ عَمِلَ صَالِحًا مِّن ذَكَرٍ أَوْ أُنثَى وَهُوَ مُؤْمِنٌ فَلَنُحْيِيَنَّهُ حَيَاةً طَيِّبَةً وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْرَهُم بِأَحْسَنِ مَا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ

Majority of the Qur'an commentators were of the opinion that this verse refers to the life in the present world (Ma'ariful Qur'an).

وَمَن يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَل لَّهُ مَخْرَجًا وَيَرْزُقْهُ مِنْ حَيْثُ لَا يَحْتَسِبُ

Assalamu aliakum brother,

I fundamentally disagree with you on your understanding. The above ayat cannot be taken as a general rule. Yes they are applicable in many times but there is not cause and effect relationship.

Many pious people live their whole lives in discomfort and pain. Many a times believers in spite of their taqwa and overpowered by their enemies. So having taqwa does not necessarily mean a believer's problem will definitely be solved in this life. Nor does it mean his life will have no troubles and he will not experience pain and inconvenience.

If you are saying the opposite then please explain why Imam Bukhari died while being disgraced by the people of his city, many prophets were killed by their enemies, and the books of history and hadith are full of it. So many pious lived in inconvenience, and their own children were disbelievers and did not accept their message.

The only understanding of these verses which can be applied as an absolute general rule is that whoever has taqwa Allah will solve his problems and give him peace in the akhirah if not in this world also. In this world it could or could not happen according to the will of Allah - but it cannot be applied generally. If you believe it can be applied generally then it would give me much solace and peace - but I still do not find proof from practical experience of the people of the past.

[mikail2]

If people really loved their kids they would do whatever they can to teach them deen. That way they can be in jannah with them. Also they will be getting good deeds in the grave for what their kids do. If someone really understands this, I think they would take upbringing seriously. If parents are not taking it seriously, that means they probably don't understand these concepts...

[pensy]

"The point I am making is that taking the means does not necessarily guarantee the outcome. You are suggesting that the cause for the dilemma is not following Islamic values and obeying Allah. Whereas, as far as this life is concerned, dilemma and problems is faced by everyone - those who obey Allah and those who don't - even with regards to the way their children turn out. So clearly obedience to Allah or disobedience to Allah is not the factor. "

I will partially disagree to writer. One of key mistake we human beings do in our arguments is blatant Generalization. We take one or two or a few incidents and make it a norm, advertise it as a fact. Let me illustrate by example , If you have 10 children of God fearing, observant parents, who left no stone unturned into inculcating good religious virtues into upbringing of their children. Odds that ALL of their children will go astray is slim to one. meaning may be out of 10 , one will go astray. On the other hand if parents didn't raise their children in good Islamic values and they themselves practiced extravagant, sinful life, strong chances are there, out of 10 , nine will follow parents lifestyle. Result: We should 'nt fell prey to faulting reasoning but look at the big picture keeping in mind what happened to generations before us.