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    Question Shaytaan- Jinn or Fallen Angel?

    Quote Originally Posted by FususAlHikam View Post
    Jinn are a creation of Allah swt. They got their own lives and world. We got our own lives and world. The twist is that we share the space with each other. For the most part they dont come bothering people, they usually scared. This is why they always keep a mystery about themselves, its a protection mechanism, fear. If they come in a shape or form its usually something that humans fear such as a snake or scorpion etc. so that humans dont come bothering it. Whatever shape they take they have powers only of that specific thing. There are many many types of jinnaat and some have very specific responsibilities such as causing forgetfulness, causing thoughts during salaat, causing thoughts during wudhu etc. creating fight between husband and wife, all sorts of issues.

    It is very important to follow and practice sunnah lifestyle to keep protection from jinns. Going into and out of toilet, using toilet, going to sleep, waking up, coming in and going out of the house, eating drinking, all the things we do in our day to day lives should be in accordance to sunnah. This is one function of the sunnah is that it keeps us protected from the world of jinns. It is possible that Rasoolullah salallahu alayhi wa sallam taught them somethings that keep them protected from our sharr.

    They also follow religions too, there are Muslim jinns, christian jinns, hindu jinns, jewish jinns, all sorts of them just like humans. Just because a jinn is Muslim doesnt mean one should befriend it. A jinn is created from a smokeless fire, being created from fire their nature is very different than ours. They can easily spark up and get crazy, stubborn, arrogant etc. They love when people praise them, fear them etc. This further fuels their arrogance. It is haraam to capture them, enslave them, make them do your bidding. People do capture and enslave them but it isnt right. Better than making friends with jinns is to do such amals which bring malaaikah in ones home such as tilawat durood taleem etc. Malaikah are far stronger than jinnaat.

    They speak various languages. They eat the bones we recite bismillah on and eat from. What else...They cannot harm us nor help us because that is only in the hands of Allah swt not creation. No creation can harm us or help us. The creation themselves are helpless and stagnate, they are sitting still always. Creation does not do anything. Creation cannot do anything for us. Only Allah swt can do for us. A person can take poison and be cured of all illness or a person can take the best medicine and die from being poisoned, life and death is in the hands of Allah swt. When Allah swt decrees we will die. Honor and humiliation are in the hands of Allah swt. Whoever He chooses He puts that persons honor in the hearts and eyes of people. Whoever He chooses He humiliates in front of the entire world like a dog. Wealth and poverty are in His hands. Whoever He chooses He dumps His treasures of wealth upon, whoever He chooses He touches with poverty. Every penny we have every gotten came from Him. Every morsel of food we have ever eaten was given by Him. Every article of clothing we have ever worn was provided by Him. Every time we got help, it was He who helped us. He has full control of everything and at all times. He dominates His will on His creation, no one dominates their will on Him. He is so strong and powerful that He raises the Sun from the east and sets it in the west. He is so strong and powerful that He created the entire creation, the sun the moon the stars, all of the enormous planets in the solar system, the galaxy, the entire universe, He created all of the creation that exist in our world, all of the different types of birds, the ants, the fish in the ocean, the whales, sharks, the animals in the jungles, the animals in the mountains, the mountains, the skies, the seven heavens, the arsh, the kursi, everything He created and He keeps sustained, He has created so many different kinds of human beings, white black brown, all of His creation have needs and they are all always totally dependent on Him to fulfill their needs and only He fulfills their needs. This goes from the most superficial need as food, water, shelter, clothing, to the most deep need which is existence in itself. The creation are all dead, He brings them to life and keeps them sustained alive until He decrees death for them. So their life, at every moment they are dependent on Him for the next moment, at every breath they are dependent on Him for the next breath, at every second of life they are dependent on Him for the next second of life, they are always at all times dependent on Him. If He turns His gaze away from the creation for the most minute moment the entire creation would be destroyed. He is the First and the Last. He is the Most Hidden and Most Apparent. He is with you everywhere at all times. His face is everywhere. All faces are humbled before Him. All voices are silenced before His voice. His existence is real existence. All exist in His existence. All creation point to His existence. All creation are proof of His existence. He is the Most Apparent so much so that He is the Most Hidden. He is the only one deserving of praise, in fact, all praise are actually directed to Him alone. All worship is actually worship to Him alone. At all times every single thing is always dependent upon Him for their existence. He fulfills the needs of His creation. His door is always open. He is the only one to attach hope to. He is the only helper. He is the only objective sought. He is the only answer. His name echos in every heart. He is the only helper, He is the only one who makes life easy or makes life difficult. All creation, from average human beings, big leaders and presidents of world powers, to jinnaat, the most strongest powerful jinnaat, to muakkils the most strongest powerful muakkil, to angels and the arch angle Jibreel, they all are helpless before Him. Not a single leaf moves without His permission, without His command. All are helpless and needy. He is the most powerful, the source of power, and He is totally independent of all.


    Assalam aleykoum Brother FususAlHikam,


    How do you know there are :

    1 )Muslim jinns
    2) Christian jinns
    3) Hindu jinns
    4) Jewish jinns


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    Default Re: dealing with jinns??

    As for #1, even a hadith rejector would know that there are Muslim jinnaat.

    Read the first three verses of surah Jinn.

    قُلْ أُوحِيَ إِلَيَّ أَنَّهُ اسْتَمَعَ نَفَرٌ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا سَمِعْنَا قُرْآنًا عَجَبًا
    يَهْدِي إِلَى الرُّشْدِ فَآمَنَّا بِهِ وَلَنْ نُشْرِكَ بِرَبِّنَا أَحَدًا
    وَأَنَّهُ تَعَالَىٰ جَدُّ رَبِّنَا مَا اتَّخَذَ صَاحِبَةً وَلَا وَلَدًا
    Lost in an ocean of doubt and confusion am I
    Seeking Your burning beacon light
    ~ Heart Song, Talib al Habib


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    Default Re: dealing with jinns??

    Quote Originally Posted by sudoku View Post
    As for #1, even a hadith rejector would know that there are Muslim jinnaat.

    Read the first three verses of surah Jinn.

    قُلْ أُوحِيَ إِلَيَّ أَنَّهُ اسْتَمَعَ نَفَرٌ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا سَمِعْنَا قُرْآنًا عَجَبًا
    يَهْدِي إِلَى الرُّشْدِ فَآمَنَّا بِهِ وَلَنْ نُشْرِكَ بِرَبِّنَا أَحَدًا
    وَأَنَّهُ تَعَالَىٰ جَدُّ رَبِّنَا مَا اتَّخَذَ صَاحِبَةً وَلَا وَلَدًا

    Assalam aleykoum sister sudoku,


    How are you ?

    I am not rejecting Hadiths read all my posts where I wrote that I do not beleive to Hadiths ( a lot are false and we have also true hadiths )

    Then for you sister we have :

    1) angels
    2) djinns
    3) Humans


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    Question Shaytaan- Jinn or Fallen Angel?

    Quote Originally Posted by sudoku View Post
    As for #1, even a hadith rejector would know that there are Muslim jinnaat.

    Read the first three verses of surah Jinn.

    قُلْ أُوحِيَ إِلَيَّ أَنَّهُ اسْتَمَعَ نَفَرٌ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا سَمِعْنَا قُرْآنًا عَجَبًا
    يَهْدِي إِلَى الرُّشْدِ فَآمَنَّا بِهِ وَلَنْ نُشْرِكَ بِرَبِّنَا أَحَدًا
    وَأَنَّهُ تَعَالَىٰ جَدُّ رَبِّنَا مَا اتَّخَذَ صَاحِبَةً وَلَا وَلَدًا

    Sister sudoku,


    I have one question for you :

    The devil ( CHYTAN ) is :

    1) A Jinn
    2) An angel


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    Default Re: dealing with jinns??

    Easy answer .

    Shaytan is a jinn. Qur'aan confirms this.
    Lost in an ocean of doubt and confusion am I
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    ~ Heart Song, Talib al Habib


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    Default Re: dealing with jinns??

    Quote Originally Posted by sudoku View Post
    Easy answer .

    Shaytan is a jinn. Qur'aan confirms this.

    Sister sudoku,


    No sister the devil is not a Jinn !


    lets see the verse bellow :


    English Yusuf Ali: [2:34]
    And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.


    What do you notice ?


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    I am afraid you are the one who are in the wrong.

    وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِآدَمَ فَسَجَدُوا إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ كَانَ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَفَسَقَ عَنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّهِ أَفَتَتَّخِذُونَهُ وَذُرِّيَّتَهُ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ دُونِي وَهُمْ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ بِئْسَ لِلظَّالِمِينَ بَدَلًا

    (Using the same translation you use)

    Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers! (18:50)
    Lost in an ocean of doubt and confusion am I
    Seeking Your burning beacon light
    ~ Heart Song, Talib al Habib


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    Default Re: dealing with jinns??

    Quote Originally Posted by sudoku View Post
    I am afraid you are the one who are in the wrong.

    وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِآدَمَ فَسَجَدُوا إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ كَانَ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَفَسَقَ عَنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّهِ أَفَتَتَّخِذُونَهُ وَذُرِّيَّتَهُ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ دُونِي وَهُمْ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ بِئْسَ لِلظَّالِمِينَ بَدَلًا

    (Using the same translation you use)

    Behold! [B]We said to the angels "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers! (50)

    Sister you have found a contradiction in the Quran , how its possible.


    See the verse bellow again.

    English Yusuf Ali: [2:34]
    And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.

    Allah SWT ask to = Angels to bown down
    Allah SWT gave the order to angels

    The Devil knew that he is included in the order ( to angels )

    1) Can you tell me why he refused ?

    If he is a Jinn ( like what you are saying ) he will say to Allah SWT I am a jinn and not an angel the order is only for angels and not Jinns.


    But the devil understood that he had to Bow down, because he is an angel nothing else.


    If the order is also for the Jinns the verse will be as bellow :


    English Yusuf Ali: [2:34]
    And behold, We said to the angels and Jinns ( word added ): "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.


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    Default Re: dealing with jinns??

    Quote Originally Posted by stephane2 View Post
    Sister you have found a contradiction in the Quran , how its possible.


    See the verse bellow again.

    English Yusuf Ali: [2:34]
    And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.

    Allah SWT ask to = Angels to bown down
    Allah SWT gave the order to angels

    The Devil knew that he is included in the order ( to angels )

    1) Can you tell me why he refused ?

    If he is a Jinn ( like what you are saying ) he will say to Allah SWT I am a jinn and not an angel the order is only for angels and not Jinns.


    But the devil understood that he had to Bow down, because he is an angel nothing else.


    If the order is also for the Jinns the verse will be as bellow :


    English Yusuf Ali: [2:34]
    And behold, We said to the angels and Jinns ( word added ): "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.
    In Sura e kahaf",it is clearly written that shaytan was a jin,there can be no two opinions about it.
    Why he was supposed to bow along with Angels in front of Adam is an other discussion.May be Ulema on this thread put some light on it.


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    Default Re: dealing with jinns??

    Quote Originally Posted by MyFaith View Post
    In Sura e kahaf",it is clearly written that shaytan was a jin,there can be no two opinions about it.
    Why he was supposed to bow along with Angels in front of Adam is an other discussion.May be Ulema on this thread my put some light on it.

    Assalam aleykoum brother MyFaith,


    I know that there are many verses in the Quran saying the devil ( CHYTAN, IBLIS ) is a djinn.

    But read the verse bellow and tell me what do you understand.


    English Yusuf Ali: [2:34]
    And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.


    God bless you.


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