Hisham Kabbani on the Tablighi Jama'h!

[seeker_ikb]

I don't see any problem with this, as the jamaat would say the same thing; read the books of your elders, and elders here means your own deobandi elders. He speaks with respect of the book and Hadrat Shaikh rah, and only criticizes recent versions. I have been with jamaats that did their own "editing" of the book; if they were in talim, and the word 'sufi' came up, they would just 'pious man' if there were any arabs with them, and sometimes they would skip full passages of the text and commentary that had "sufi stories" in them.

After reading your experience , I have understood how much corrupt Tablig Jamat has become in many places . if you look at the comments made by some so called TJ activists in the following thread,
you will realize how rotten TJ has become !!

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...fi-shaykhs-!!/

May Allah purify this movement from corruption.

[Aseatic]

I think you guys are extrapolating too much from Shaykh Hisham's reply. All he's saying is, you don't have to go with Tabligh if you don't want to. Tabligh is virtuous, but it is voluntary after all.

[Abu_Tamim]

After reading your experience , I have understood how much corrupt Tablig Jamat has become in many places .

And your hatred of the Tablighi Jama'h before reading his comments? Where did that stem from?

if you look at the comments made by some so called TJ activists in the following thread,
you will realize how rotten TJ has become !!

And you are a Khanqah fellow, someone who is training himself in the Deen and Tazkiya-e-Nafs. Read your own comments in this post to realize the depth of corruption in your own Nafs first. Pehle Shaytaan se dushmani karo, phir Tablighiyon se, mere bhai.

http://<br /> http://www.sunniforum...fi-shaykhs-!!/

Ba-adab, Ba-Murad. Be-adab, Be-Murad. Did your Shaykh in Tariqat teach you to refer to eminent scholars of this Deen as "ABC Jamat Founder"? You are a reflection of your Shaykh, my friend. Hum to Jamat wale hain, be-adab hain, hamein kuch nahin aata jaata. Tum to Wali-e-Kaamil ho, ba-adab ho, buzurg ho, sahab-e-kashf ho, mustajab_ud_dua' ho.
Is this what you have learnt from the Sunna of Al Mustafa(saws)?

May Allah purify this movement from corruption.

"]May Allah purify ALL of us from corruption, biradar. All of us. Sirf boriyon pe baith kar "Allah, Allah" karke jannat ke haqdaar ho jaoge, ye gumaan chodd do.

[Salman_Hanafi]

http://eshaykh.com/womens-issues/wear-scarf-or-not/



Perhaps he should give real answers to people who are seeking advice rather than answering in puzzles.

lol...lol....a barber by profession would have given a more thoughtful answer....lol...

[Abu_Tamim]

lol...lol....a barber by profession would have given a more thoughtful answer....lol...

If you found that difficult to digest then read this link:

http://eshaykh.com/uncategorized/spi...ame-and-level/

[Salman_Hanafi]

If you found that difficult to digest then read this link:

http://eshaykh.com/uncategorized/spi...ame-and-level/

lol....lol....

[GenN]

OK you are right, the deobandis are the best. Excellent analyses, no bias at all.

Thankyou for understanding. You are right except for the point about other muslims being filth. After all who else in the entire ummah has been able to guide in just 50 of the previous years, 10's of millions of people off the streets and into the masjids, donning the sunnah, working effortlessly in the realms of dawah, establishing 1000's of madrasshs and masjids, creating 10's of thousands of ulema, with some top quality ones, besides the the tablighi jamaat and deobandis?

Allah blessed them so much so that, besides the above achievements, their arch enemies the barelwis, were humbled into becoming copycats, and establishing their own version of tableegh jamaat, the dawtai islami.

Even the blind can see that. Only biased and more importantly jealous hearts can't.

[GenN]

Thankyou for understanding. You are right except for the point about other muslims being filth. After all who else in the entire ummah has been able to guide in just 50 of the previous years, 10's of millions of people off the streets and into the masjids, donning the sunnah, working effortlessly in the realms of dawah, establishing 1000's of madrasshs and masjids, creating 10's of thousands of ulema, with some top quality ones, besides the the tablighi jamaat and deobandis?

Allah blessed them so much so that, besides the above achievements, their arch enemies the barelwis, were humbled into becoming copycats, and establishing their own version of tableegh jamaat, the dawtai islami.

Even the blind can see that. Only biased and more importantly jealous hearts can't.

Let the bias and jealous continue to cry at their own failings

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/arch...p/t-41306.html

What follows is a summary of the key points mentioned in Sayyid Salim bin Umar bin Muhammad bin Salim bin Hafizh’s (Habib Umar’s son) recent visit to Bangladesh where he partook in the annual Tabligh Jamat ijtima. It is one of the clearest examples of Dar al Mustafa’s strong links, praise, reliance and appreciation of Tablighi Jamat.

Delivered Thursday 7th February after Salat Az-Zuhr to the students of Dar al Mustafa:

He travelled to Bangladesh with Jamat memebers from Yemen’s city port Hudayda. The group was headed by one 95+ year old Muhammad Abdul Wahabb who had spent 6 years from the end of Muhammad Ilyas Kandahlavi’s (notorious founder of Tabligh Jamat) life with him.

Sayyid Salim mentioned that in Tariqa the Jamat is mostly Qadiri, that they are people of Tariqa and are Ahl as Sunnah wal Jama’ah, but hide their outward links with Tasawuff so as to be accessible to all.

He then mentioned that Kandahlavi wrote Hayatus Sahaba and Sayyid Salim’s grandfather (Al-Habib Muhammad bin Salim bin Hafiz rahmatullah alayh) wrote the chapter headings and arranged the chapters in the book and that the Tabligh still have a copy mentioning this to this day.

His grandfather spent 7 months in Nizam ud Din, the world headquarters of Tabligh in India as well as visiting Pakistan and Bangladesh.

That letters of correspondence between his grandfather and Kandahlavi are still kept by them.

He mentioned that the ijtima is 3 days and centres on building Iman, Ikhlas nearness to Allah and D’awa

550 Jamats left Hudayda and 200,000 left Bangladesh too various parts of the world after the Ijtima.

That 7 million people normally attend, but due to rain this year it was a 2 day event with 3 million.

He attended that Majlis as Shura with the grandson of Yusuf Kandahlavi and that it is a gathering based on the Sunnah.

That he came across 5 Indonesian Dar al Mustafa graduates at the Ijtima.

All types of people attend Shiah, Sufi, Takfiri and no ikhtilaf is discussed. People go out on tabligh and over time become rectified.

That his father, Habib Umar attened 13 years ago and that before Sayyid Salim left for Bangladesh his father told him to look at the systematic layout of the ijtima and notice how it organisationally resembles the Hajj of the past.

He then mentioned that Kandahlavi founded the Tabligh to revive the Muslim Ummah.

That people from all across the world attend with various of knowledge from laymen to Muftis.

That he was asked to speak to the Arab delegates on the second day and spoke to them about the need for D’awah and avoiding differences.

He said that Bangladesh is mostly Ahl as Sunnah wal Jamah but there now Salafis and Takfiris there also.

At the end of the gathering he mentioned how the Dar al Mustafa graduates he met seemed unable to transfer the manhaj they had learnt in the Dar into practical teaching. Many students could not even convey and explain basic concepts such as Qurb ilAllah and Akhlaqaue norcan they explain the Ba Alawi Tariqa and seem to know little about it.

That students need to be more aware of other sufi orders amd groups in their areas and how to deal with them.

He was asked what are the benefits of Tablighs 6 points to which he replied it is a Manhaj of Ahl as Sunnah like the Ba Alawiyya emphasising Ilm Suluk D’awah Wala and Amal.

Can not the bias and jealous just imagine the state of the ummah today had it not been for the deobandis and tableegh. May Allah tala continue to bless the tablighi jamaat and the deobandis.

[ENIGMA]

I had one discussion with one of the students of Mufti Ebrahim Desai that I, personally, wouldn't recommend having Kutubus Sittah in the Masaajid but rather more books like Riyaad as-Saaliheen because people might get confused from reading books like Sahih Bukhari etc,. The Student [aka Mufti now] disagreed but alhamdulillah, discussions are nice if conducted properly.

Anyways, the problem nowadays is that people do not appreciate Ikhtilaaf.

Totally agree with you.

[ENIGMA]

I don't see any problem with this, as the jamaat would say the same thing; read the books of your elders, and elders here means your own deobandi elders. He speaks with respect of the book and Hadrat Shaikh rah, and only criticizes recent versions. I have been with jamaats that did their own "editing" of the book; if they were in talim, and the word 'sufi' came up, they would just 'pious man' if there were any arabs with them, and sometimes they would skip full passages of the text and commentary that had "sufi stories" in them.

I actually think thats a great bit of hikmah to do that. There is a reason that the taleem kitab of the Arab sathis is Riyadh us saliheen.