Objectionable beliefs/statements of Salafi scholars in relation to Allah's attributes

[maneatinglizard]

you didnt answer my question. if you will cool down you will see what i mean.
i hope you know about 'placing statements and quotes out of context', 'misinterpretation of information' etc etc.
every post of yours has a biased 'heading' in bold to state 'your' point of view. believe me sir ive read every post in this thread because i was interested in reading what aqeedah the salafis followed. im not one myself. i prefer the ashari aqeedah. but your entire thread is meant to bias the people against the salafis. and oh yes you provide the source at the end. and dont pretend you want 'people to know the truth', you just provided the articles and the links so that any salafi will not accuse you of not having it thoroughly researched. most people wont dare to look any of it up by just reading the headings in bold and your misquoted articles.

im not going to argue with you over your lack of understanding of the athari aqeedah. you have been giving comprehensive answers by the sister and the article by mufti taqi usmani.

one of the top ulemas of deoband do not consider them deviated, who are you to disagree? read the article in my posts below, and you will get to know what exactly he says about this. you will see how your entire thread aims at nothing but to blow this out of proportion.i, like the mufti, do not take the athari view, as ashari view is more safe. does not mean i have to go around opening entire threads to denounce their aqeedah in a biased manner. most people here dont even understand what is so 'wrong' with the salafi aqeedah. far from being fair, you have given them a twisted version of your own derivations instead of the truth. all in the name of 'lets seek the truth'. you want to spread the truth, give them the link to the mufti's article.

try and unite the salafis and deobandis by a thread as well. i know they spit venom, but do you have to go to the degree of their least qualified online 'scholars'?you should not try and divide the ummah on issues where the top clerics do not give fatwa upon. and i mean the 'top' clerics, not xyz random deobandi graduate or salafi student.
mufti taqi usmani's article is academically correct. your thread is a vendetta.
Good day.

p.s i am sorry if my post is offensive but your thread is very very damaging.

Sister Musleemah (and possibly other Salafis) are here to rectify any misconceptions.

If he is misrepresenting the Salafi Aqeeda, she can point it out.

I believe she already mentioned that at least two of the beliefs are not universally accepted amongst Salafis.

[mh16388]

You make many accusations without any evidence.

Firstly, there are no misquotations - check each quote and provide your evidence if what you say is true. I am open to correction and where I have made a mistake I will admit and alter the offending post.

Second, I have quoted their 'top clerics' - show me where I have not.

Third, I'm all for unity and cooperation in matters where there is agreement.

Finally, I have researched on my own as you recommend.

I hope that helps. Kindly take your unity rants to another thread now.

what is wrong about your interpretations of their aqeeda has already been pointed out and discussed by the sister. perhaps not in such harsh tones as mine. you can go read her posts again. edit if you wish.
your entire thread and posts in the start esp disprove your point number 3. and your attitude towards 'unity' is shown clearly in your last line.
rest of your defense statements i have already answered in my post below.

[tls]

I do not know why undercover salafis come here to talk about unity, when majority of them call us Jahmis and the rest do not accept us from ahlus sunnah wal jamaah, do you forget about unity when you accuse us?

[faqir]

In response to some posts above I've now updated the jogging and shadow posts to include a 'salafi' theologian who is a negator of these so called 'attributes'.

I've also added an additional quote and scan from 'salafi' theologian Abd al-aziz al-Rajihi / Salih b. Fawzan on the 'sitting' post.

[mh16388]

Jazak Allah khair brother

[faqir]

I've added the following to the post on Jiha

Regarding the statement of Imam al-Tahawi:

- 38
وتعالى ( 5 ) عن الحدود والغايات والأركان والأعضاء والأدوات لا تحويه الجهات الست كسائر المبتدعات (6

"He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or being restricted, or having parts or limbs. Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created things are."

The pseudo-salafi 'shaykh' محمد بن مانع / Muhammad ibn Mani' states as quoted in this commentary on al-`Aqida al-Tahawiyya, Sharh wa Ta`liq - fn 6:

العقيدة الطحاوية
للطحاوي
شرح وتعليق
محمد ناصر الدين الألباني
ط 2 - 1414 ه
المكتب الإسلامي - بيروت

وما كان أغنى الإمام المصنف عن مثل هذه الكلمات المجملة الموهمة المخترعة ولو قيل إنها مدسوسة عليه وليست من كلامه لم يكن ذلك عندي ببعيد إحسانا للظن بهذا الإمام

Rough translation:

The Imam and author was in no need at all of using such general, ambiguous, newly-invented words. If it were said that this passage was forged against him I would not consider it improbable so as to keep a good opinion of this Imam.

[faqir]

Salafis Say Allah is Attributed With Movement / Translocation

'Salafi' theologian Muhammad Khalil Harras in his commentary on Kitab al-Tawhid of Ibn Khuzayma p. 126 says:

ويقول 126:
((يعني أن نزوله إلى السماء الدنيا يقتضي وجوده فوقها فإنه انتقال من علو إلى سفل)) اه.

A scan was provided elsewhere:



This can be roughly translated as:

Meaning, His descent to the lowest heaven requires He be present above it because it is movement (intiqal) from above to below.



Pseudo-Salafi 'shaykh' Haitham Hamdan [administrator of the pseudo-salafi Multaqa Ahl al-Hadeeth forum] also makes the following laughable argument for affirming 'the motion' to Allah:

1) Another reason why Ahlussunnah [edit: he means his pseudo-salafi sect] affirm the motion to Allah SWT is that it is an aspect of perfection:
- Having the ability to move at will is more perfect than not.
- In general motion is one of the main aspects that distinguish life from death.

2) Also, motion is clearly implied from Allah SWT coming down to the lowest heaven, His coming to judge on the day of judgment, and His heading towards the ‘Arsh. It is not possible to comprehend the meaning of these attributes without motions.

Link

[faqir]

Additional quote added above.

[DefendingIslam]

Salam Alaykum,

1) Another reason why Ahlussunnah [edit: he means his pseudo-salafi sect] affirm the motion to Allah SWT is that it is an aspect of perfection:
- Having the ability to move at will is more perfect than not.
- In general motion is one of the main aspects that distinguish life from death.

2) Also, motion is clearly implied from Allah SWT coming down to the lowest heaven, His coming to judge on the day of judgment, and His heading towards the ‘Arsh. It is not possible to comprehend the meaning of these attributes without motions.

It is interesting that the Pseudo-Salafis ridicule the Ash'aris for using logic and term it as Aristotelean hogwash, while what they are doing above is nothing other than (trying) to make use of reason. In fact if we see the truth of Aristoteleanism, one sees that Aristotle was a strict Pseudo-Salafi in a number of things, such as his belief that the world was eternal. Same goes for the Christian scholastics such as Thomas Aquinas, who thought that the eternity of the Universe could only be known from revelation and not due to reasoning.

Please note that the Aristotelean influence on Christianity was mostly Averroist, which is totally unacceptable to Islam (not only for the Sunnis). We see that the Pseudo-Salafis, due to their normal insistence on not using rationality, do not know how to properly use whenever it becomes necessary to bring forth rational arguments.

[Ibrahimhanifa]

I do not know why undercover salafis come here to talk about unity, when majority of them call us Jahmis and the rest do not accept us from ahlus sunnah wal jamaah, do you forget about unity when you accuse us?

Wow!! I thought it was only me who suspected neo salafis being undercover / imposter / Spy / Takiya (shias' worship) !!! I ve actually experienced something else,

Wahabis are pretending to act like deodondis to revive / make worse Deobondi and Brealiwi feud and adding other groups like the traditionalist to the deobondis list to argue with

I leave the planning for Allah because Allah is the best of planners! Your plans will fail like Khawarij, zionist etc have failed!