Nice book by a salafi

[akabirofdeoband]

Yes.you've descended into a slanging match i'm afraid.
I don't represent shaykh kabbani-nor do i defend his practices.

We in our school do have a naqshbandi tradition-but it is more represented by people like Shaykh Zulfiqar etc ,
and you could ask their views on naqshbandi issues if you wish .


As for shaykh hamza's statement- one wonders what it means.
I can't explain it,without ta'wil-but we extend ta'wil to the ulema who are known to be people of haqq in their
statements-whilst awaiting clarification.-and as i told you as asked shaykh hamza about perennialism very recently and he
expressed that he does not believe in it.And it was clear and to my face. so unless you are calling me a liar then thats upto you.

The ta'wil would be that no-body did da'wah to her so according to The Ghazzalian position we hope that God will forgive her.
But the question is who is God. Awidullah Awidu-rahman
And that I believe Allah(swt) is Ar Rahman.
And *if Allah(swt) is not Ar-rahman* , then I'm in the wrong religion.
i.e. maybe I should worship Kali the God of destruction.- but then I'd be a hindu

So he's saying If Allah is Ar Rahman i'm in the right religion, and if he's Kali , then Im in the wrong religion.
Because Allah's Rahmah is ultimate.

Yes there are verses of mercy and verses of being harsh.There are almost 2 ways of reading the QURAN.
But like Ibn Juzay said, try and embody the higher ethical standard and forgive , acting on the mercy verses.
Or so he interpreted
Alladhina Yastamiunal Qawl wa yattibuna Ahsana

[Warrior1]

I would have to agree - he didnt then and doesnt now seem to fit the traditional salafi stereotype - Even when I was around him, I found it hard at first to see where he stands on the ideological spectrum. It was only when I encountered the various situations I related earlier, that i got an idea of where he stands.

As far as him being head of "Al Qaida" in yemen - I suspect Al Qaida is a made up blanket term for anyone the US hates - there are even articles and FOX news reports that my group, MOA, is connected to Al qaida - My Sheikh was original accused of beheading daniel pearl, they even made a movie about us staring Angelina Jolie. So I dont put much weight in media and govt reports on Muslims.

Shortly after the christmas day bombing attempt - the FBI came and visted me about Awlaki, trying to connect our jamaat to his based on the fact that myself and some other MOA brothers know him. These people have very little understanding of Islam itself let alone the inner dynamics of the various Muslim ideological groups. As far as im concerned, Awlaki is free from what the US accuses him of, but not free from holding some salafi and takfiri beleifs.

the US likes to blame everyone as being "al qaeda", cause that simplifies the enemy to ONE single problem. to make their ppl believe that we are fighting this one enemy, so if we defeat it everything will be solved (when reality is there are several jihadi orgs besides AQ, and many ppl hate US). but AQ has their own media and forums, and Awlaki is definately spiritual-head in yemen. just google "inspire magazine AQAP" and you should be able to get some info, you may even be able contact him as well.

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Man, people confuse me. Does Al Qaeda exist then? Is it a terrorist organisation or not? Is TTP affiliated with the Afghan Taliban or not? What's going on man?

Al-qaeda exists, otherwise where are all these people going who want to join this organization? do they just dissappear? no.... The only people who say that AQ was created by CIA or Mossad, are Shias and Commies (or their muslim-supporters). TTP is allied with afghan taliban BEHIND the scenes, but not publicly. but both are publicly allied with AQ, and no one can deny that.

[dr.ati]

Yes.you've descended into a slanging match i'm afraid.
I don't represent shaykh kabbani-nor do i defend his practices.

We in our school do have a naqshbandi tradition-but it is more represented by people like Shaykh Zulfiqar etc ,
and you could ask their views on naqshbandi issues if you wish .


As for shaykh hamza's statement- one wonders what it means.
I can't explain it,without ta'wil-but we extend ta'wil to the ulema who are known to be people of haqq in their
statements-whilst awaiting clarification.-and as i told you as asked shaykh hamza about perennialism very recently and he
expressed that he does not believe in it.And it was clear and to my face. so unless you are calling me a liar then thats upto you.

The ta'wil would be that no-body did da'wah to her so according to The Ghazzalian position we hope that God will forgive her.
But the question is who is God. Awidullah Awidu-rahman
And that I believe Allah(swt) is Ar Rahman.
And *if Allah(swt) is not Ar-rahman* , then I'm in the wrong religion.
i.e. maybe I should worship Kali the God of destruction.- but then I'd be a hindu

So he's saying If Allah is Ar Rahman i'm in the right religion, and if he's Kali , then Im in the wrong religion.
Because Allah's Rahmah is ultimate.

Yes there are verses of mercy and verses of being harsh.There are almost 2 ways of reading the QURAN.
But like Ibn Juzay said, try and embody the higher ethical standard and forgive , acting on the mercy verses.
Or so he interpreted
Alladhina Yastamiunal Qawl wa yattibuna Ahsana

A.The refutation can come from the Ulema and its not logical to say that only a Naqashbandi can refute a Naqashbandi. Had that been the case , Yusuf Kazzab , the Sufi who claimed Prophet-hood , attributed himself to Qadri Tariqa but was declared Kafir by the orthodox debandi Ulema instead of asking the Qadri sufis to look into the matter. I personally think that the opposition of "Wahabis" revolve around two incentives.

1. We will refute them because they refute us
2.We will refute them because they effect our manpower.

B. The statement of Hamza Yusuf matches the statement made a user in another thread http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post588974 (#89) .So i think there is no need to make any Tawe'il for that.

[pawlak]

the US likes to blame everyone as being "al qaeda", cause that simplifies the enemy to ONE single problem. to make their ppl believe that we are fighting this one enemy, so if we defeat it everything will be solved (when reality is there are several jihadi orgs besides AQ, and many ppl hate US). but AQ has their own media and forums, and Awlaki is definately spiritual-head in yemen. just google "inspire magazine AQAP" and you should be able to get some info, you may even be able contact him as well.

Al-qaeda exists, otherwise where are all these people going who want to join this organization? do they just dissappear? no.... .

Something really suspicious about Anwar Awlaki. Check this thread.

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Anwar Awlaki and BA terror plotter : Patsy-minder and patsy for flaming Islamophobia

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...g-Islamophobia

As Webster Tarpley has documented, Awlaki is “an intelligence agency operative and patsy-minder” and “one of the premier terror impresarios of the age operating under Islamic fundamentalist cover” whose job it is to “motivate and encourage groups of mentally impaired and suggestible young dupes who were entrapped into “terrorist plots” by busy FBI and Canadian RCMP agents during recent years.”

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[pawlak]

More on Al-Qaeda

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Bin-Laden-Tape

http://www.ken-welch.com/Reports2/ArmagII-B.html
http://www.ken-welch.com/Reports/Zawahiri.html


Tapes from Al Qaeda leaders are normally issued prior to a false-flag attempt to build up the legend surrounding the event if it is succesful. So I was expecting one when it appeared on January 14, six days before the Obama inauguration.

After waiting patiently, I was able to download the new "Bin Laden tape" from one of Uncle Sam's official disinformation sites, "Laura Mansfield." This is the site that once committed the blunder of releasing a similar tape to the public before it was posted on any of those mysterious "islamic websites."

Like ALL the Bin Laden tapes and videos this one is a fake. Reverse it, and all you get are the English language thoughts of an army propaganda specialist doing a job he doesn't enjoy. On this one, the script calls for Holy War against Israel (because of Gaza). If they end up blaming the false flag missile on Al Qaeda, then this tape will be part of the evidence.

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[pawlak]

There is another Salafi Character Called Jamil Zeno. We got some books of his from Wahabi Arabia and before i could distribute them(at dawah table Downtown Toronto), i had a weird feeling about the book, it looked a bit fishy to me, i dont know but after having read and seen all those books by deviants(shia, Qadiyani, Munkir e Hadeeth, Jamat ul Muslimeen, Wahabi, Ismaeli etc etc), somehow i can tell just by looking at a book that something is not right. I gave it a brief read. And guess what i found

The book is Called "Pillars of Islam and Iman"

There was a Chapter called Ahadith to act upon and the 1st Hadeeth goes like this

"The Last Hour will not appear unless the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them." Sahih Muslim

Not only was I appalled at it, i dumbfounded for a moment after reading it. I mean not only is it a lie and an incomplete Hadeeth. Its total distortion of the words of RasoolAllah(saw), deliberately done for a certain agenda.

Thanks Allah we didnt give it out. I am planning to burn all of these books to smithereens. INSHALLAH most of what comes out of Wahabi Arabia along these lines deserves to be burnt.

Many guys in the Wahabi group are dupes or useful idiots. Check this thread for the secrets behind Wahabi group.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=2757

Globalists created Wahhabi Terrorism to Destroy Islam and Justify a Global State

Following the dictates of Hegelian dialectic, the Globalists have created two antagonizing forces, the "Liberal-Democratic" West, against Terrorism, or "political Islam", to force us into the acceptance of their final alternative, a New World Order.

The West and Islam have had a long era of compatibility, but this history has been denied to foster the myth of a "Clash of Civilizations". In order to inflame the sentiments of the West against Islam, our attention has been focused on the specter of fanatical Wahhabism, and more specifically, its most notorious exponent, Osama bin Laden.

However, as outlined in an excellent article by Peter Goodgame, The Globalists and the Islamists, the Globalists have had a hand in shaping and financing all the terrorist organizations of the twentieth century, including the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt, Hamas of Palestine and the Afghan Mujahideen. But the history of their duplicity dates farther back still, to the 18th Century, when British Freemasons created the Wahhabi sect of Saudi Arabia itself, to further their imperialistic objectives
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Ultimately, the profusion of Rothschild financed petro-dollars in the coffers of the Saudi family has made it possible for them to propagandize their bastardized version of Islam to other parts of the world, most notably to America, where they purportedly subsidize up to 80 percent of the mosques in the country, a version of Islam that substitutes political awareness for dogmatic insistence on ritualistic fanaticism.



In 1999 King Fahd of Saudi Arabia attended the Bilderberg meeting, presumably to discuss his role in furthering the interests of world government, along with other such luminaries as Yasser Arafat and the Pope. Evidently, the Saudi family are part of the deceptive ploys of the Illuminati network. Their complicity in the accumulation of petro-dollars has gone into the financing of global terrorism, from Afghanistan to Bosnia, merely for the purpose of fomenting the necessary animosity of the world against Islam.

[ahmad12]

the US likes to blame everyone as being "al qaeda", cause that simplifies the enemy to ONE single problem. to make their ppl believe that we are fighting this one enemy, so if we defeat it everything will be solved (when reality is there are several jihadi orgs besides AQ, and many ppl hate US). but AQ has their own media and forums, and Awlaki is definately spiritual-head in yemen. just google "inspire magazine AQAP" and you should be able to get some info, you may even be able contact him as well.






Al-qaeda exists, otherwise where are all these people going who want to join this organization? do they just dissappear? no.... The only people who say that AQ was created by CIA or Mossad, are Shias and Commies (or their muslim-supporters). TTP is allied with afghan taliban BEHIND the scenes, but not publicly. but both are publicly allied with AQ, and no one can deny that.

So:

1. Are TTP really behind the suicide bombings that occur in Pakistan for example? If so, how can we reconcile their stances with the stance of the Afghan Taliban?

2. If Al Qaeda exists, then is it actually a terrorist organisation or not?

[HamdanUAE]

in the book on Islam and Budhism posted in one of the last thread above, sheikh Hamza Yusuf states:

"The most definitive verse of this surah in this regard distinguishes between six categories of religious
belief, and Muslim exegetes have traditionally placed all religions and sects into one of these six: “As for the Muslims, the Jews, the Sabians, the Christians, the Magians, and the polytheists, God will decide among them on the day of resurrection” (22:17). The weighty import of this verse is that it is theologically prohibited for us to condemn any individual, irrespective of his or her faith, to damnation
or punishment in the afterlife because ultimate judgment belongs to God alone. Many hadith4 and statements of the companions of the Prophet �� also affirm this fundamental article of faith."

I would be interested to learn the opinion of scholars on this statement and the interpretation made by Ibn Kathir for example of this verse of the Holy Quran

[حسان 30]

in the book on Islam and Budhism posted in one of the last thread above, sheikh Hamza Yusuf states:

"The most definitive verse of this surah in this regard distinguishes between six categories of religious
belief, and Muslim exegetes have traditionally placed all religions and sects into one of these six: “As for the Muslims, the Jews, the Sabians, the Christians, the Magians, and the polytheists, God will decide among them on the day of resurrection” (22:17). The weighty import of this verse is that it is theologically prohibited for us to condemn any individual, irrespective of his or her faith, to damnation
or punishment in the afterlife because ultimate judgment belongs to God alone. Many hadith4 and statements of the companions of the Prophet �� also affirm this fundamental article of faith."

I would be interested to learn the opinion of scholars on this statement and the interpretation made by Ibn Kathir for example of this verse of the Holy Quran

At-tabari narrates that Qatada said "5 of these are for Shaytan and one of them is for Ar-Rahman"

At-tabari also says that Allah will classify these different groups on the last day, and rule upon them with justice, and he will classify for all of them the hell fire except for the believers they will enter paradise.

With all due respect that statement of Hamza is ridiculous. The kuffar are kuffar if they worship others besides Allah dying upon that they are kuffar in the hell fire forever, this IS the ruling of Allah upon them. This doesn't mean they can't be guided before dying neither does this mean that the Yahood and Nassara or mumineen for other prophets during the time of their Messengers until the coming of Prophet Muhammad were not Mumineen, they were Mumineen as long as they believed in what their prophet said and obeyed Allah in that, However NOW Muhammad is the Messenger for all of Mankind.

So the question is, where are these ahadeeth and statements of the companions that affirm that we shouldn't call the kuffar kuffar? Did the companions believe that the Mushrikeen of Mecca MIGHT be believers when they were killed on the battle field and that their hukm would be other than that they are absolutely in Hellfire? The Qur'an is the Furqan and the Hukm.

Al-Qurtubi says.

{ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوۤاْ } هم العرب عبدة الأوثان. { إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَفْصِلُ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيامَةِ } أي يقضي ويحكم؛ فللكافرين النار، وللمؤمنين الجنة.

"As for those who commit shirk (they are the arabs worshipping idols) verily Allah will classify and decide among them on the last day (Meaning Decide and rule upon them, and for the disbelievers is the hell fire, and for the believers is the paradise). "

So now supposedly this verse according sh. Hamza is that it is prohibited for us to condemn them to hell fire forever even though they might have worshiped cows monkeys and private parts? That sounds very very strange, maybe someone misquoted him.

[HamdanUAE]

sadly Brother this is not a quote but an extract of a article written Sheikh Hamza....