Question About Salafi Belief

[maneatinglizard]

I've often heard the Salafis say that the Quran is an originated Speech of Allah that isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created.

So, if this is true, then could it not be said that the creation of Allah isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created?

Now, if someone says His Creating is uncreated, but His creation is created, then why can't one say that His Speaking is uncreated, but his speech is created?

[Kashmir_85]

I was always under the impression that I was a creatino of Allah swt,

In order to evaluate the question properly I suggest you go through the 99 names of Allah swt and some of the meanings and you will realise The One , The Merciful the Ar Raheem and how Powerful He is (and in this context there are no words to describe, powerful is a weak word)

[maneatinglizard]

I was always under the impression that I was a creatino of Allah swt,

In order to evaluate the question properly I suggest you go through the 99 names of Allah swt and some of the meanings and you will realise The One , The Merciful the Ar Raheem and how Powerful He is (and in this context there are no words to describe, powerful is a weak word)

Of course we are His creation, I was just merely pointing out a seeming contradiction, and if there was any way to resolve the dilema the Salafis may be facing.

[Musleemah]

I've often heard the Salafis say that the Quran is an originated Speech of Allah that isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created.

So, if this is true, then could it not be said that the creation of Allah isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created?

Now, if someone says His Creating is uncreated, but His creation is created, then why can't one say that His Speaking is uncreated, but his speech is created?

Allah did not create His Speech, while He Created us, we are His creation, while His speech (Quran ..etc.) is His Attribute.

Allah's Attributes (including His speech that He spoke) are not separate from Allah, they are from His Essence, while creation are a separate entity. Allah created us, but we did not come from His divine Essence, contrary to His speech, it comes from His divine Essence.
I hope that answers your question.

[ad-Darqawi]

Not only salafis say that the Qur'an is uncreated..

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

Not only salafis say that the Qur'an is uncreated..

Don't worry he wants to live in his bubble of safety where he thinks that the Aqeedah of Ahmad ibn Hanbal differs from the Salafis.

I wonder if Ahmad was wrong for getting beat when he wouldn't admit the Qur'an was Makhlooq (since it wasn't), whaddaya say Manny?

PS. Free at last, Free at last...Thank God I'm free at last!

[bugmenot]

Don't worry he wants to live in his bubble of safety where he thinks that the Aqeedah of Ahmad ibn Hanbal differs from the Salafis.

May be he was asking the question in all sincerity for clarification.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

May be he was asking the question in all sincerity for clarification.

Is that why he said:

Of course we are His creation, I was just merely pointing out a seeming contradiction, and if there was any way to resolve the dilema the Salafis may be facing.

That doesn't sound like a sincere way of asking for clarification, when his sole purpose of the question was to point out a contradiction and resolve a dilemma.

I am going upon what he said, not what he might be saying within is heart. Besides, I'm sure he already knows why the Salafis believe the Qur'an is not created, the speech of Allah with sound and Letters, since the Qur'an says so. I'm giving him husnul dhun in the fact that he knows those ayat already.

But thanks for your advise none the less.

[Colonel_Hardstone]

I've often heard the Salafis say that the Quran is an originated Speech of Allah that isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created.

So, if this is true, then could it not be said that the creation of Allah isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created?

Now, if someone says His Creating is uncreated, but His creation is created, then why can't one say that His Speaking is uncreated, but his speech is created?

In our times its best to just affirm Aqeedah Tahawiyyah and leave the Sufi-Salafi-Barelwee-Deobandi arguments aside for the sake of our own Eemaan and Safety.

http://www.central-mosque.com/aqeedah/tahawi.htm

وَإِنَّ القُرْآنَ كَلامُ اللَّهِ تَعَالى، بَدَأَ بـِلا كَيْفِيَّةٍ قَوْلاً، وَأَنْزَلَهُ عَلَى نَبـِيِّهِ وَحْياً، وَصَدَّقَهُ المُؤْمِنُونَ عَلَى ذلِكَ حَقَّــاً، وَأَيْقَنُوا أَنَّهُ كَلامُ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى بـِالحَقِيقَةِ. لَيْسَ بـِمَخْلُوقٍ كَكَلامِ البَرِيَّةِ، فَمَنْ سَمِعَهُ فَزَعَمَ أَنَّهُ كَلامُ البَشَرِ فَقَدْ كَفَرَ، وَقَدْ ذمَّهُ اللَّهُ تَعالَى وَعَابَهُ، وَأَوْعَدَهُ عَذابَهُ، حَيْثُ قَالَ:

سَأُصْلِيهِ سَقَرَ

فَلَمَّا أَوْعَدَ اللَّهُ سَقَرَ لِمَنْ قَالَ:

إِنْ هَذَا إِلَّا قَوْلُ الْبَشَرِ

عَلِمْنا أَنَّهُ قَوْلُ خَالِقِ البَشَرِ، وَلا يُشْبـِهُ قَوْلَ البَشَرِ،

33. The Qur'an is the word of Allah. It came from Him as speech without it being possible to say how. He sent it down on His Messenger as revelation. The believers accept it, as absolute truth. They are certain that it is, in truth, the word of Allah. It is not created as is the speech of human beings, and anyone who hears it and claims that it is human speech has become an unbeliever. Allah warns him and censures him and threatens him with Fire when He says, Exalted is He: "I will burn him in the Fire." (al-Muddaththir 74:26) When Allah threatens with the Fire those who say "This is just human speech" (74:25) we know for certain that it is the speech of the Creator of mankind and that it is totally unlike the speech of mankind.

[Aspirer]

An incident concerning Ibn Qudama ,
He was reported to have been greeted by Ibn 'Asakir with salaam and did not reply to it; when asked the reason why, his explained:

"He believes in 'kalam nafsi' so I too also replied (to him) with a salam bi nafsi (i.e.. saying the salams within myself)."

Naudhubillah, since when do we get to object to what the Qur'an and Sunnah says on the pretext that it 'appears rationally impossible?' How 'rationally possible' is it that we will be raised up after we die? And yet we will! Allah said so and Allah's promise is true, just like He told us about Himself and we shouldn't say it's a metaphor, we shouldn't say 'being raised up is a metaphor for gaining knowledge,' or whatever Ibn Sina ended up falling into.

Please justify being raised up via the utilization of rational dialectic.