Question About Salafi Belief

[maneatinglizard]

I've often heard the Salafis say that the Quran is an originated Speech of Allah that isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created.

So, if this is true, then could it not be said that the creation of Allah isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created?

Now, if someone says His Creating is uncreated, but His creation is created, then why can't one say that His Speaking is uncreated, but his speech is created?

[Kashmir_85]

I was always under the impression that I was a creatino of Allah swt,

In order to evaluate the question properly I suggest you go through the 99 names of Allah swt and some of the meanings and you will realise The One , The Merciful the Ar Raheem and how Powerful He is (and in this context there are no words to describe, powerful is a weak word)

[maneatinglizard]

I was always under the impression that I was a creatino of Allah swt,

In order to evaluate the question properly I suggest you go through the 99 names of Allah swt and some of the meanings and you will realise The One , The Merciful the Ar Raheem and how Powerful He is (and in this context there are no words to describe, powerful is a weak word)

Of course we are His creation, I was just merely pointing out a seeming contradiction, and if there was any way to resolve the dilema the Salafis may be facing.

[Musleemah]

I've often heard the Salafis say that the Quran is an originated Speech of Allah that isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created.

So, if this is true, then could it not be said that the creation of Allah isn't created, because it comes from the One who isn't created?

Now, if someone says His Creating is uncreated, but His creation is created, then why can't one say that His Speaking is uncreated, but his speech is created?

Allah did not create His Speech, while He Created us, we are His creation, while His speech (Quran ..etc.) is His Attribute.

Allah's Attributes (including His speech that He spoke) are not separate from Allah, they are from His Essence, while creation are a separate entity. Allah created us, but we did not come from His divine Essence, contrary to His speech, it comes from His divine Essence.
I hope that answers your question.

[ad-Darqawi]

Not only salafis say that the Qur'an is uncreated..

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

Not only salafis say that the Qur'an is uncreated..

Don't worry he wants to live in his bubble of safety where he thinks that the Aqeedah of Ahmad ibn Hanbal differs from the Salafis.

I wonder if Ahmad was wrong for getting beat when he wouldn't admit the Qur'an was Makhlooq (since it wasn't), whaddaya say Manny?

PS. Free at last, Free at last...Thank God I'm free at last!

[bugmenot]

Don't worry he wants to live in his bubble of safety where he thinks that the Aqeedah of Ahmad ibn Hanbal differs from the Salafis.

May be he was asking the question in all sincerity for clarification.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

May be he was asking the question in all sincerity for clarification.

Is that why he said:

Of course we are His creation, I was just merely pointing out a seeming contradiction, and if there was any way to resolve the dilema the Salafis may be facing.

That doesn't sound like a sincere way of asking for clarification, when his sole purpose of the question was to point out a contradiction and resolve a dilemma.

I am going upon what he said, not what he might be saying within is heart. Besides, I'm sure he already knows why the Salafis believe the Qur'an is not created, the speech of Allah with sound and Letters, since the Qur'an says so. I'm giving him husnul dhun in the fact that he knows those ayat already.

But thanks for your advise none the less.

[maneatinglizard]

Allah did not create His Speech, while He Created us, we are His creation, while His speech (Quran ..etc.) is His Attribute.

Allah's Attributes (including His speech that He spoke) are not separate from Allah, they are from His Essence, while creation are a separate entity. Allah created us, but we did not come from His divine Essence, contrary to His speech, it comes from His divine Essence.
I hope that answers your question.

I had written a longer reply, but I haven't had the chance to proof read it, so I'll just mention one small issue I have with this (note: I'm using generic terms like god to avoid any potential disrespect to Allah ):

If the the words and sounds that make up the speech of god are originated and an attribute of god, and not separate from him, then:

1. If god is not composed of parts (and I do believe Salafis accept this, though you can correct me if I'm wrong), then this suggests (Na`dhubillah) that this god is originated, because this god cannot be separated, and yet possesses attributes which cannot be separated from him and are originated.

2. Otherwise, this god must be composed of parts, with some parts being eternal, and others originated.

[Musleemah]

:salam:
If the the words and sounds that make up the speech of god are originated and an attribute of god, and not separate from him, then:

Nothing of Allah's speech is originated, even the sounds and letters of Allah's speech, it is not created, Allah was always attributed with speech that is sounds and letters. What is originated is creation's sounds and letters, for Allah created their speech (i.e. sounds and letters).