A new one from the pandora box of Barelvi innovations

[dr.ati]

dr. ati please stop this, just accept you've taken one hell of a proverbial kicking in this thread. Your making yourself look worse and worse and I suggest you stop digging yourself further into a hole (no pun intended)...even your deobandi victims who supported you initially have become quiet, although it would be nice of them to come forth and acknowledge their hastiness in commenting without knowledge, because it is that very behaviour that makes people equate them to wahhabis.

I would suggest to the mods that actually ban you and others like you from this as clearly some of the other members are becoming polluted by your misguidance.

One advice - stop trying to reinvent the deen.
We ask Allah for tawfiq.

Actually you are right. I go a bit too far in teasing the nerves of the innovators. Sorry for the depression i caused to you. Long live Tahir Padri
Tumharay Zulf main Puhanchi tou Husan Kehlayi
Wo Siyaahi jo mairay Nama-e-Aamal main thee'

[Kashmir_85]

The adhan at the grave is bid'ah.
Look here: http://drabutamim.blogspot.com/2011/...er-graves.html

It is only bidah according to a minority of scholars....

[abulayl]

It is only bidah according to a minority of scholars....

How you got the number of scholars and then judged the minority or majority?

[Ansari]

It is only bidah according to a minority of scholars....

Your Barelwi scholars are not the "majority." The "majority" are the reliable written works in the madhab. Adhan at a grave has been condemned for a long time.

By the way, in the video you can also the 2 persons actually doubting whether they should instruct him in Urdu or Arabic.

[abulayl]

By the way, in the video you can also the 2 persons actually doubting whether they should instruct him in Urdu or Arabic.

I prefer English.

[Abbe]

Actually you are right. I go a bit too far in teasing the nerves of the innovators. Sorry for the depression i caused to you. Long live Tahir Padri
Tumharay Zulf main Puhanchi tou Husan Kehlayi
Wo Siyaahi jo mairay Nama-e-Aamal main thee'

It's amazing. You didn't accept anything that was said in favour of talqin as long as it came from hanafis, shafi'is and malikis. As soon as Imam Ahmed and Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahumu Allah) where mentioned you became quiet. No more asking about dalil nor more nothing. Once again you proved that your claims of ijtihad and comparing the evidences is nothing but empty talk. If an opinion comes from the right camp you accept it, if it doesn't you don't.

I hope that our feelings against some scholars wont make us blind for valid ikhtilaf. Allah 'Azza wa jalla, tells us to be just, even if it is against ourselves. This is difficult when we harbour hatred against others, and we only see what we want to see.

I don't know much about shaykh Tahiri and to be honest I don't have any feelings for him or against him, but one thing is sure. As soon as he is mentioned here on SF some people attack him without considering if he's right or wrong.

Are there any updates concerning the hanafi views on talqin?

[dr.ati]

It's amazing. You didn't accept anything that was said in favour of talqin as long as it came from hanafis, shafi'is and malikis. As soon as Imam Ahmed and Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahumu Allah) where mentioned you became quiet. No more asking about dalil nor more nothing. Once again you proved that your claims of ijtihad and comparing the evidences is nothing but empty talk. If an opinion comes from the right camp you accept it, if it doesn't you don't.

I hope that our feelings against some scholars wont make us blind for valid ikhtilaf. Allah 'Azza wa jalla, tells us to be just, even if it is against ourselves. This is difficult when we harbour hatred against others, and we only see what we want to see.

I don't know much about shaykh Tahiri and to be honest I don't have any feelings for him or against him, but one thing is sure. As soon as he is mentioned here on SF some people attack him without considering if he's right or wrong.

Are there any updates concerning the hanafi views on talqin?

I did not comment on the Fatawa once after i went through them.The main stimuli behind them and the Shafi' position is the narration of Abu Umamah recorded by Tabarani. I became a bit doubtful when i saw that narration but when i checked its authenticity and found Jarah Mufasir against that narration which i have mentioned, i got a confirmation of my initial stance I still stand correct till you shoot me with another narration stating that Talqeen was done in the time of Prophet PBUH and Sahaba karam.I thought that the Jarah i presented on that narration would nail the argument but unfortunately it went on.

http://www.muslm.net/vb/showthread.php?p=2576801

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

Can someone please translate this.

وسئل رحمه الله هل يجب تلقين الميت بعد دفنه ؟ أم لا ؟ وهل القراءة تصل إلى الميت ؟ .

مسألة: الجزء الرابع والعشرون التحليل الموضوعي
وَسُئِلَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ هَلْ يَجِبُ تَلْقِينُ الْمَيِّتِ بَعْدَ دَفْنِهِ ؟ أَمْ لَا ؟ وَهَلْ الْقِرَاءَةُ تَصِلُ إلَى الْمَيِّتِ ؟ .

مسألة: الجزء الرابع والعشرون التحليل الموضوعي
وسئل رحمه الله هل يجب تلقين الميت بعد دفنه ؟ أم لا ؟ وهل القراءة تصل إلى الميت ؟ .

الحاشية رقم: 1
فأجاب : تلقينه بعد موته ليس واجبا بالإجماع ، ولا كان من [ ص: 298 ] عمل المسلمين المشهور بينهم على عهد النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وخلفائه . بل ذلك مأثور عن طائفة من الصحابة ; كأبي أمامة وواثلة بن الأسقع .

فمن الأئمة من رخص فيه كالإمام أحمد وقد استحبه طائفة من أصحابه وأصحاب الشافعي . ومن العلماء من يكرهه لاعتقاده أنه بدعة . فالأقوال فيه ثلاثة : الاستحباب والكراهة والإباحة وهذا أعدل الأقوال .

فأما المستحب الذي أمر به وحض عليه النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فهو الدعاء للميت .

وأما القراءة على القبر فكرهها أبو حنيفة ومالك وأحمد في إحدى الروايتين . ولم يكن يكرهها في الأخرى . وإنما رخص فيها لأنه بلغه أن ابن عمر أوصى أن يقرأ عند قبره بفواتح البقرة وخواتيمها ، وروي عن بعض الصحابة قراءة سورة البقرة ، فالقراءة عند الدفن مأثورة في الجملة وأما بعد ذلك فلم ينقل فيه أثر والله أعلم .

[abulayl]

^^ nothing new in the post, already mentioned.

[Abbe]

I did not comment on the Fatawa once after i went through them.The main stimuli behind them and the Shafi' position is the narration of Abu Umamah recorded by Tabarani. I became a bit doubtful when i saw that narration but when i checked its authenticity and found Jarah Mufasir against that narration which i have mentioned, i got a confirmation of my initial stance I still stand correct till you shoot me with another narration stating that Talqeen was done in the time of Prophet PBUH and Sahaba karam.I thought that the Jarah i presented on that narration would nail the argument but unfortunately it went on.

http://www.muslm.net/vb/showthread.php?p=2576801

Thats the main stimuli behind every fatwa from all the scholars. Almost everyone of them said that it was a weak narration, yet they all said that talqin was allowed/recommended. Your problem is that you lack usuli comprehention. Why don't you read the fatawa again and at least try to understand how they argued and how they came to the conclusion that talqin was allowed/recommended in spite of the hadith being da'if.

And please have a look at Adwa al-bayan. It has the most detailed discussion I have seen so far.

If you don't agree with them are they innovators in your eyes, since they are basing a hukm on a weak hadith, even when they knew it was weak? If your answer is yes, then peace be upon you. If your answer is no then please tell me why they are not considered innovators for doing that, but everyone else living today is an innovator.