ANSWERED: Please help the kafirs say things about quran and i want answer

[Ahmed.SH]

salamo alekom
well, im new here ,
i was in a certain forum and a muslim brother posted some miracles
of Quran
And the Kafirs ofcourse didnt believe that and posted things about
the Quran and prophet pbuh and please i want answers on that:
here are what they(kafirs) posted:-

The Sun

"When he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring and found a people thereabout. We said: ‘O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness"’ (Surah 18:86).

"Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad’s close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sets?’ He answered: ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water"’ (3rd Edition, Volume 2 p. 743,1987)


The Phenomena of Thunder and Lightning

"Ibn ’Abbas asked the apostle of God about the thunder. He told him, ‘It is an angel who is in charge of the cloud, who (carries) with him swindles of fire by which he drives the clouds.



"On the authority of Ibn ’Abbas, he said the Jews came to the prophet (peace be upon him) and said, ‘Tell us about the thunder. What is it?’ He told them:

‘It is one of God’s angels in charge of the clouds. He carries in his hand a swindle of fire by which he pricks the clouds to drive them to where God has ordered them.’ They said to him, ‘What is this sound that we hear?’ He said: ‘(It is) his voice (The angel’s voice)."


the second:-
Creation of the Heavens and the Earth

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.

· Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

· Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!

Sun-set and Sun-rise

The Quran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:

· Quran-18:86: Till, when he (the traveler Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

· Quran- 18:90: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

There are serious scientific errors here. Firstly, it is a scientifically accepted fact that the Sun never goes down into a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away.” It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second journey THE PLACE where it rises.

A Resting Place for the Sun?

· Quran-36:38: And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

· Quran-36:39: And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf.

· Quran-36:40: It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

Allah is indeed a great scientist. Where are the Sun and the moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other ? Are the Sun and moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (through observations with the naked eye) the Sun and moon travelling from east to west seemingly in the same part of the sky and on the same path. Yet they did not collide and continued to cause day and night, etc. Allah could hardly imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by the Sun’s rotation. The Sun is stationary for Earth, because the Earth is stuck in the Sun’s Gravity, just as we are stuck in the Earth’ gravity. Allah never says anywhere in the whole Quran THAT THE EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel Earth’s rotation.

A Resting Place for the Sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS (?)

· Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does the Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle could say better. Then the Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the Sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon earth”.

Can anybody tell me what it is? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such a fairy-tale today.

Why Allah created Stars:

· Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:

· Quran-67:5: And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…

· Quran-37:6-8: We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.

Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

Sky/Heaven is Nothing but A ROOF or Canopy over the Earth:

· Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.

· Quran-31:10: He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed…

· Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky ( heavens ) as roof (canopy) well guarded…

· Quran-2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy

Modern science tells us- the Earth is entirely surrounded by space and there is no boundary even if we go billions of trillions of miles in any direction. The question is: If there is no sky above us then how in the world does the question of pillars come in? Do we really have a roof above us? Is there a canopy (Shamiaa’na) above the earth? In most Bengali translations of the Quran all Maulanas write: Allah akashke samiaana bannei-ese.

The Quran claims Allah gives rain from above! Ordinary People consider Allah as residing in the sky above the earth. But in cosmological science there is no up or down, that is, earth revolves and there is no fixed above or below for the earth. Every direction in outer space can be up or down. Are mountains there to prevent the earth from shaking? Give me a break!

Once again Allah considered the sky as a roof over the earth which will break/be shattered during Doomsday

· Quran-78::19: And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens…

· Quran-82:01: When the Sky is cleft asunder

· Quran-69:16: And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will that day be flimsy(soft)

· Quran-81: 2: When the stars fall, losing their luster.

Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: The beautiful blue sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as a roof, sky or any canopy over the earth, rather all around the Earth is limitless space. Only Allah knows what will break/get shattered or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open - there are no walls, so where will doors come from? In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: “I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your head.”

Sun and Moon Rotates:

· Quran-31: 29: Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the Sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.

· Quran-21: 33: It is He who created the Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them swim (float) along in its own course.

Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again in almost every page of the Quran. This is because Allah, standing in the open Arab desert, saw very well that every morning the SUN was rising from the east and gradually (at the appointed time) setting to the west, and as a result, day and night follow. Allah actually shared this misconception (the Sun moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Allah speaks of the Sun & Moon, he referred to Day & Night, as if it is due to the Sun’s movement that day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocritical Mullahs give false credit to Allah by saying: Look, the Quran described the Sun’s movement 1400 years ago, which modern science only found out now. In the real world, the Sun takes 225 million years to make just one complete circle through the galaxy. And obviously this movement of the Sun has nothing to do with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, the Sun is stationary for the earth in a real sense, because the Earth is stuck in the giant gravitational force of the Sun. The Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way that we are stuck to the Earth’s gravitational force and do not feel Earth’s movement at all. Why then, was Allah referring to the Sun’s movement again and again? I have already mentioned above, why Allah was mistaken about the Sun’s movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming that this is science here. I wonder why Allah has to mention about the Sun’s 225 million year journey to tell about day and night? What does the Sun’s movement have to do with the day and night?

Earth is Spread Out Like a Carpet (Flat)

· Quran-15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable;

· Quran-78: 6-7: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

Allah was sure that the Earth is flat like a carpet and that mountains are there to anchor the earth so that the Earth does not shake with us. Allah is really an excellent scientist.

Here in this Verse, Allah Challenges People: Who Can Tell Whether the Conceived is Male or Female?

· Quran-31:34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs of mothers….

Who does not believe the fact that, actually mankind can predict very accurately (99.5%) when rain will fall and can predict (99.8%) the sex of the child inside a mother’s womb? Scientists also predict that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%. Perhaps Allah could not imagine this.

Man is Created From Clotted blood?

· Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the clot a little lump (fetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators.

(Bengali translations of the Quran read: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran)

· Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…

· Quran-96:2: Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood

There are serious scientific problems here:

A blood clot can not grow into anything. This idea came from the Greeks. Aristotle erroneously believed that humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. The Quran’s assertion on the clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood which is seen to emerge (much of which comes from the mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead mass of bloody miscarriage. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very familiar with miscarriages.

Modern science tells us that the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth, hence there are no hard-and-fast boundaries of stages as the Quran described. The Quran described 4 stages which matches exactly with Galenic description of the development of the human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).

Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. ___Moore of Canada____, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran tells us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we human have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.

Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal statues (Moorthy) out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of a layman.

Which one is correct?

· Quran-2:256: There is no Compulsion in religion….

OR

· Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

· Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….

· Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….

· Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

· Quran-8: 65: O Apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight…(against) unbelievers.

Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet, punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty.

In Many Ayats Allah Claimed That, He Has Given the Quran in Easy and Clear Language so that, it will not be difficult to understand by ordinary Arabs.

· Quran-44:58: Verily, We have made This Quran easy in the tongue, in order that they may give heed.

No matter which translation of the Quran we read, the Quranic materials remain the same to us and every sentence is self-explanatory. It does not take a rocket scientist to comprehend the message Allah wanted to transmit for Arabs. Yet, bigoted Mullahs will always blame translators for Quranic contradictions/errors/inconsistencies etc. and will try to find lame excuses to cover up Allah’s ignorance.

Comments:

The Holy Quran is full of inaccuracies, contradictions, inconsistencies, redundancies, a lack of chronologies or chapters, grammatical errors etc. One can find hundreds of contradictions/errors/inconsistencies in the Holy Quran and the above mentioned ayats are just selected samples from the Quran. But still it is a miracle to those who are blindfolded bigots.

“The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract.”- Oliver Wendell Holmes

And please as fast as u can

[Karim_sunni]

Salaam agi

tese are alle lies

there are no errors in the Quran, i've read those articles too from the anti-islam websites, there are great sites who expos their lies

Responses to the so called "Errors" in the Noble Quran:

http://www.answering-christianity.co...n/quranerr.htm


http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm


the sun orbits in it;s own motion, this is proven by recent science , there is no error in the quran scientific


http://www.***************/2-***************.htm

(submission is Quran-only sect site, so dont read anything else on that site, but they defend the quran wel here against the lie of anti-islamic people)


http://www.answering-christianity.co...embryology.htm




http://www.islamicity.com/Science/Baucaille.shtml



and

[Karim_sunni]

Scientific Errors in the Qur'an? A Response

By: Bahagia


This is my response to http://***************.org/BehindVeil/btv6.html#CH6 ("Scientific Errors in the Qur'an"), as posted on ***************.org, ***************** and numerous other anti-Islamic pages. Insha Allah, I will answer the rest of the 'Behind the Veil' book at a later date.

Part One - The Sun

This article begins with a criticique of the story of Dhul-Qurnain, in a pitiful attempt to make out that the Qur'an is stating that the sun physically sets in a muddy spring.

They write

In plain words, the Qur'an says that one of the righteous men of God's servants saw the sun set in a certain place of the earth - in particular a well full of water and mud. There, this man found some people. Let us read what is recorded in the Qur'an (chapter "the Cave", verse 86),

"When he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring and found a people thereabout. We said: 'O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness'" (Surah 18:86).

This point has been refuted by Faithfreedom.com at http://www.faithfreedom.com/anti_isl...ulqarnain.html, part of it reads:

"The verses narrate part of the story of Zul-Qarnain. Being a great traveller Prophet Zul-Qarnain eventually, at sun set, arrived at a place where there were springs of vast murky waters. He found around it tribes of people, some righteous and some malign. The narration goes on to describe how Zul-Qarnain was given authority to rule over them as a just king. It narrates the version of events as he, Zul-Qarnain saw them - he saw the sun set in a murky water, nothing wrong with that. The second verse narrates that Zul-Qarnain turned another direction and travelled on until he saw the sun rise and it just so happens that he saw it rise on a people who were without shade. Again, a very simple narration, no claim of being scientific fact.

The idiotic critics who raise this issue and claim that the God of the Quran does not know the simple scientific that the sun never actually sets are barking up the wrong tree. The above verses in no way make the claim of being scientific fact as God sees it. We don't see God making the claim that the sun sets into murky waters! Or rises on a certain group of people. We simply see God describing things as witnessed by Zul-Qarnain - "They ask thee concerning Zul-Qarnain. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story". The sun sets wherever you see it set. If you are on a beach you will see it set into the ocean. If you are on a hill, you will see it set behind the hill."

Need I say more?

The Islamophobes continue

Lest I failed to understand what the Qur'an meant by these strange words, I referred to the famous students of the Qur'an as well as to the ancient scholars. I discovered that all of them concurred with this rendering and said that Muhammad's friends inquired about the sunset and that he gave them that answer. All the scholars such as the Baydawi, Jalalan, and Zamakhshari confirm it. The Zamakhshari remarks in his book, "the Kash-shaf",

Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad's close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: "Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sets?" He answered: "God and His apostle know better." Muhammad said: "It sets in a spring of slimy water'" (3rd Edition, Volume 2 p. 743,1987).

I have sincere doubts about this hadith, as I couldn't find this anywhere in Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Maliks Muwwata, or Sunan Abu Dawud. Also, one should compare it with this passage from Sahih Al-Bukhari:

Vol 6, Book 60. Prophetic Commentary On The Qur'an. Hadith 326. (Shahi Bukhari)

Narrated By Abu Dharr: Once I was with the Prophet in the mosque at the time of sunset. The Prophet said, "O Abu Dharr! Do you know where the sun sets?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "It goes and prostrates underneath (Allah's) Throne; and that is Allah's Statement: 'And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (decreed). And that is the decree of All-Mighty, the All- Knowing...' (36.38)

And before any anti-Islamic critics start saying something silly like "The sun can't prostrate!", the following hadith explains:

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 327:

Narrated Abu Dharr:

I asked the Prophet about the Statement of Allah:--

'And the sun runs on fixed course for a term (decreed), ' (36.38) He said, "Its course is underneath "Allah's Throne." (Prostration of Sun trees, stars mentioned in Qur'an and Hadith does not mean like our prostration but it means that these objects are obedient to their Creator (Allah) and they obey for what they have been created for).

I have searched in Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Malik's Muwwata and Sunan Abu-Dawud for references to the sun physically setting in a muddy spring, and found nothing. Did Zamakhshari use an incorrect hadith, or one that is weak and unauthenticated? Or has the author of this piece set out to deceive the reader? Methinks it is the latter. People who write anti-Islamic articles like this often rely on their reader's ignorance to put their veiws across, and this seems to be a prime example.

In his book, "The Lights of Revelation" (p. 399), the Baydawi indicates,

"The sun sets in a slimy spring; that is, a well which contains mud. Some of the readers of the Qur'an read it, "...a hot spring", thus the spring combines the two descriptions. It was said that Ibn 'Abbas found Mu'awiya reading it (as) hot. He told him, "It is muddy." Mu'awiya sent to Ka'ab al-Ahbar and asked him, "Where does the sun set?" He said in water and mud and there were some people. So he agreed with the statement of ibn al-'Abbas. And there was a man who composed a few verses of poetry about the setting of the sun in the slimy spring."

The Jalalan (p. 251) says that the setting of the sun is in a well which contains a murky mud. We found the same interpretation and text in the Tabari's commentaries (p. 339) as well as in "Concise Interpretation of the Tabari" (p. 19 of part 2) in which he remarks that the well in which the sun sets "contains lime and murky mud".

Again, I have found no evidence in the hadith collections to say this. If anyone could show me in which hadith collection these appear in, it would be greatly appreciated.

It's also worth noting that the author of this piece is now relying on different people's interpretation of the Qur'an (tafsirs), rather than the Qur'an itself, in order to put his point across. If we assume that these tafsirs really do state these things about Muhammad (peace be upon him) saying that the sun sets in a muddy spring (again, if anyone could provide a link to any webpages containing these tafsirs, it would be very welcome).

Relying on tafsirs written hundreds of years ago when evaluating the Qur'an from a scientific point of view is dangerous because any scientific statement made within these works are sure to based on scientific knowledge at that time. Criticising tafsirs doesn't prove a thing, except to prove that people are fallible and cannot always be correct, no matter how learned we may become.


Part Two - The Phenomena of Thunder and Lightning

Carrying on to the second topic, we see:

It is common knowledge, as scientists teach, that thunder is a sound caused by the impact between electrical charges found in the clouds. Yet Muhammad, the prophet of Muslims, has a different opinion in this matter. He claims that the thunder and the lightning are two of God's angels - exactly like Gabriel!

What he's actually describing here are the processes that take place within the clouds to cause thunder and lightning. What he can't explain is WHAT starts these processes? According to the University Corporation for Atmopsheric Research's FAQ on thunder and lightning at http://www.ucar.edu/communications/i...tning/faq.html, it seems that even the scientists are unsure (emphasis added).

Why does lightning enhance the global electric field instead of dispelling it?

The answer lies in the structure of thunderstorms. For reasons unclear--but probably involving millions of collisions among ice crystals and small hailstones or graupel--storms evolve with positive charge near the top and negative charge from middle to cloud base.

How does charge get separated inside a thunderstorm to create lightning?

Clouds vary greatly in their ability to become electrified and produce lightning, and the process of charge separation still puzzles scientists.

What are the different kinds of lightning flashes?

Once enough charge has been separated in a growing storm, a lightning flash can occur. These normally travel within or between clouds (abbreviated CC) or from cloud to ground (CG). Most storms produce more CC than CG flashes--about six times as many in tropical storms and two times as many in midlatitudes. Sometimes a flash will travel from cloud to air or simply occur within "clear" air.

Exactly what triggers flashes is still uncertain and an area of continued research. It seems that very concentrated electric fields (perhaps at the ends of pointed surfaces or single particles) are needed to accelerate charged particles, or ions. Once moving with sufficient energy, the ions appear to blaze a path toward opposite charge in cascading fashion.

And UCAR aren't the only ones. In an article located at http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tw/06-27-96/cover.htm, Gregory McNamee describes the thunder process (for want of a better phrase) thus (emphasis added):

As it fills with water, it grows: cumulus cloud becomes cumulus congestus, then cumulonimbus, the towering anvil-head formation that marks a midsummer's skyscape in Tucson.

Strange things are happening within that mixture of rising air and moisture. At the top of the cloud, 30,000 feet in the air, the temperature is 60 degrees below zero. There ice crystals, carrying a positive electrical charge, float and collide. At the much warmer bottom, particles of water, also positively charged, swirl about. Somewhere in the middle lies a zone, at about 10 degrees Fahrenheit, made up of "graupel," ice crystals coated with water and hail that rise and fall with the air currents.

For reasons that atmospheric scientists do not quite understand but are avidly pondering, this graupel has acquired a negative electrical charge somewhere along the way. As it does so, and when, as UA atmospheric-science researcher Martin Murphy says, "other special conditions are met," the action begins. Those "special conditions" include the presence of at least a cubic kilometer of graupel or hail in the cumulonimbus cloud's 10-degree band--enough to cover the University of Arizona campus more than half a mile deep.

He goes on to say: The process is altogether mysterious, and the attempt to decipher its workings has engaged generations of scientists. Today, many atmospheric researchers, engaged in studies of use to military and aviation interests, continue to ponder the basic mechanisms of lightning, even as new discoveries and new mysteries arise.

As we can see, no-one has provided a full scientific explanation for the driving forces behind thunder and lightning. Of course, atheists would never believe that it is an angel driving them (a sad case of the If-I-Can't-See-It-I-Dont-Believe-It syndrome), and Christians would only believe this if anyone other than Muhammad (peace be upon him) had said it.

Nonetheless, until somebody proves that angels don't exist, or that thunderclouds are NOT driven by angels, this criticism of the Qur'an is incorrect.

Part Three - The Earth

Finally, the Islamophobe looks at what the Qur'an says about the planet we live on. First, he tries to resurrect the old 'The Qur'an says the Earth is flat' theory:

In chapter 88:17,20, it is recorded,

"Will they not regard the camels how they are created...and the Earth how it is spread?"

Unfortunately for the critic, the word 'spread' doesn't mean flattened, it means covering a large area (look it up in a dictionary if you don't believe me). For example, if I was to talk about a blanket of snow spread over the mountains, does this mean that the snow has flattened them? Of course not, so using this ayat doesn't prove a thing, apart from the surface of the Earth covering a large area.

He then goes on to quote a number of scholars who interpreted this ayat to mean that the earth is round.

In page 509, the Jalalan says,

"In his phrase, "how it is spread", he denotes that the earth is flat. All the scholars of Islamic law agree upon this. It is not round as the physicists claim."

Here we go again, using a mortal man's interpretation in a sad attempt to prove the Qur'an wrong. Interestingly enough though, the early Islamic scholars correctly concluded that the Earth is round:

(Text taken from http://www.thetruereligion.org/earth.htm)

Ibn Taymiyah (d. 728 H / 1328 CE), may Allah be merciful with him, in his famous treatise, ar-Risalah al-'Arshiyah, refutes the position of the neo- Platonic philosophers who identified Allah's Throne with the ninth celestial sphere (Majmu'ul-Fatawa, Vol. 6, pp. 546-ff). In the course of his response, Ibn Taymiyah discusses the question of the earth is it round or flat? He writes:

[That] celestial bodies are round (istidaaratul-aflaak) - as it is the statement of astronomers and mathematicians (ahlul-hay'ah wal-hisab) - it is [likewise] the statement of the scholars of the Muslims; as Abul-Hasan ibn al-Manaadi, Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm, Abul-Faraj ibn al-Jawzi and others have quoted: that the Muslim scholars are in agreement [that all celestial bodies are round]. Indeed Allah - taala - has said: And He (i.e., Allah) it is Who created the night and the day, the sun and the moon. They float, each in a falak (The Noble Quran, 21:33). Ibn Abbas says: A falaka like that of a spinning wheel.

Ibn Taymiyah continues: The [word] falak [in the Arabic language] means that which is round. From which is the statement [of the Arabs]: <<The young girl's breasts have ta-fa-la-ka when they become round.>> (Vol. 6, pp. 566-567)

In an earlier passage (Vol. 6, pp. 565-566), Ibn Taymiyah discusses why those on the other side of the earth are not below us, just like we are not below them. He writes:

As for the other side of the earth it is surrounded by water. [Note: Admittedly, Ibn Taymiyah - as all Muslim scholars of his day- were not aware of the Americas and believed that the Old World was encompassed by an ocean.] There are no human beings or anything like that [on that side]. Even if we were to imagine that people were on that side of the earth, such individuals would still be on the face of the earth. Those on that side of the earth are not below those who are on this side; just like those on this side are not below those on that side. For as all spherical bodies surround a center point (markaz), no one side of a spherical body is under the other, nor is the north pole under the south [Note: Unlike Western maps, Muslim cartographers (map-makers) would draw the world with the south-side up.] or vice versa.

In another passage (Vol. 5, p. 150) Ibn Taymiyah clearly states the earth is spherical.

Significantly Abu Ya'la in his work Tabaqatal-Hanabilah (Biographical Entries of the Hanabali Scholars) quotes the unanimous consensus (ijma) of all Muslim scholars that the earth is round.

This consensus was mentioned by the scholars of the second generation (the students of the Prophet's Companions) and was based upon Ibn Abbas' explanation to 21:33 (previously cited) and other evidences.

The later belief of Muslim scholars, like as-Suyuti (died 911 AH / 1505 CE) that the earth is flat represents a deviation from this earlier opinion.

Note that last sentence, which emphasises the wrong opinion of later scholars compared with the correct opinion of the earlier ones.

The Islamophobe goes on to say

The Qur'anic teaching is obvious from the comment of Jalalan that "the earth is flat and not round as the scientists claim". What made Jalal al-Din say so is that the Qur'an hints in many chapters that the earth is flat(refer to 19:6, 79:30, 18:7, and 21:30).

Okay, lets take a look at these so-called hints:

Surat Maryam, 19:6 - "Who shall inherit me, and inherit the posterity of Ya'qub? And make him, my Lord, one with whom you are well-pleased"

Right, and the Prophet Zakariyah (peace be upon him) praying to Allah for a child proves that the Earth is flat because...?

Surat An Nazi'at (79:30) - And after that He spread the Earth

Yes, He spread the Earth, not stretched or flattened it!

Surat Al-Kahf (18:7) - Verily! We have made that which is on Earth as an adoration for it, in order that We may test them as to which of them are best in deeds.

So the creation of worldly pleasures proves that the Earth is flat?

Surat Al-Anbiya (21:30) - Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the Earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing? Will they not then believe?

As we can see, this ayat correctly describes the Big Bang Theory. And I suppose the Big Bang theory proves the flatness of the Earth as well, does it?

So far, I am NOT impressed. This just proves what I said before about Islamophobes using the ignorance and prejudice of their readers to get their point across. We can see why the author chose not to quote these 'proofs' properly.

Next, he goes off on a completely different tack to ridicule a number of ayats concerning the structure of mountains.

Also the Qur'an indicates that:

"We have placed in the earth firm hills lest it quake so as not to sway and hurt people" (21:31).

Scholars who agree upon the meaning of this verse believe as the Jalalan states (pp. 270-271),

"God has founded firm mountains on earth lest it shake people."

On page 429, al-Baydawi says,

"God has made firm mountains on earth lest it sway people and quake. He also made heaven as a ceiling and kept it from falling down!"

The Zamakhshari agrees with the above authors and reiterates the same words (refer to Zamakhshari part 3, p. 114).

In the Qur'an (chapter 50:7), we find another verse which carries the same meaning,

"And the earth have we spread out, and have flung firm hills therein" (Surah Qaf: 7).

This is accompanied by the same comment by the above Muslim scholars (refer to Jalalan, p. 437; Baydawi, p. 686, Tabari, p. 589, and Zamakhshari, part 4, p. 381). All of them assure us that "if it were not for these unshakable mountains, the earth would slip away."

Well, I certainly hate to rain on his parade, but this statement about the foundations of mountains is not a myth, but a scientifically proven fact! Please see http://www.answering-christianity.com/mountains.htm for a full explanation.

He goes on to say Concerning chapter 50:7, the Suyuti says that scholars indicate that "Qaf is a mountain which encompasses the entire earth" (refer to Itqan, part 3, p. 29). Qaf is an Arabic L like K.

Actually the letter Qaf does not occur in ayat 50:7, it appears on its own in ayat 50:1. I note that with this, and indeed all of the references given in this article, not a single link is given for the reader to verify these facts for themselves. And if a link can be provided, SO WHAT? An error in one man's interpretation doesn't disprove the Qur'an one bit!

Even some Saudi scholars wrote a book a few years ago to disprove the spherical aspect of the earth and they claimed that it is a myth, agreed with the above mentioned scholars, and said we must believe the Qur’an and reject the spherical aspect of the earth.

Yes, I've come across this hoax before too. Apparently, Sheikh Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz, a scholar from Saudi Arabia said this. Needless to say, this 'fatwa' has been copied onto every single anti-Islamic page possible, needless to say not a single link has been provided to the source, and needless to say I haven't found any independant proof of this. It seems that this hoax has fooled just about everyone. And even if he really did say this, it just proves my point yet again that people aren't perfect, and whatever a single person says cannot be used as a reflection on the Qur'an.

It is also well-known that the Qur'an proclaims that there are seven earths-not just one (refer to the commentary of the Jalalan, p. 476, al-Baydawi, p. 745 as they interpret chapter 61:12, Surah Divorce: 1 2).

Actually, the verse you want is 65:12, not 61:12. I'll put that one down to a typo. Anyway, the ayat reads:

Surat At-Talaq (65:12) - It is Allah Who has created seven heavens and of the Earth like thereof. his Command descends between them, that you may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah surrounds all things in knowledge.

And how do we know that that there AREN'T seven planets like earth? The universe is a big place, and mankind has only discovered a minute portion of it. Until scientists disprove the existance of other life-supporting planets, there is no justification to criticise the Qur'an based on this.

And lastly we read It is very clear that the sun does not traverse the heaven...

Wrong, it is a proven fact that our Sun has it's own orbit around the centre of the galaxy.


And on that happy note, I conclude this piece. As we have seen, and as with a lot of anti-Islamic writings, ignorance seems to play a big factor, and anti-Islamic ignorance can be disproved with just a little bit of delving.

[Karim_sunni]

and aghie, there claims are lies,

if Quran was so in error with science, then scientist wouldn't have honored the Quran in their books

check the book

'This is the truth'

[Karim_sunni]

http://www.answering-christianity.co...t_rebuttal.htm

[Karim_sunni]

Earth is Spread Out Like a Carpet (Flat)

· Quran-15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable;

· Quran-78: 6-7: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

Allah was sure that the Earth is flat like a carpet and that mountains are there to anchor the earth so that the Earth does not shake with us. Allah is really an excellent scientist.

Here in this Verse, Allah Challenges People: Who Can Tell Whether the Conceived is Male or Female?

· Quran-31:34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs of mothers….

Who does not believe the fact that, actually mankind can predict very accurately (99.5%) when rain will fall and can predict (99.8%) the sex of the child inside a mother’s womb? Scientists also predict that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%. Perhaps Allah could not imagine this.

This is another false claim, this info goed about the creation of earth, it was first spread out like a carpet and then allah made it round, it's clearly mentioned in the quran

for the explanation see:

The Earth is round according to Islam:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_round.htm

they completely expose the lie of the kuffar's claim

[Karim_sunni]

the second:-
Creation of the Heavens and the Earth

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.

· Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

· Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny

check to link for the answer



http://www.answering-christianity.co...rth_heaven.htm



So theres no scientific error at all, another false claim nullified

[Karim_sunni]

A Resting Place for the Sun?

· Quran-36:38: And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

· Quran-36:39: And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf.

· Quran-36:40: It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

check the correct quran vers 36-38

Yusuf Ali's Translation

And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.

Pickthal's Translation And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

Shakir's Translation And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.

The kaffirs use the wrong translation of Pickthall

Yusuf Ali en Shakirs translation are the correct ones, even in my dutch version of the quran i don't see any mentioning about a resting place

further the verse

And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him),

This is scientifically proven:

Also, the Qur'an says: "And the Sun runs her course for a period determined for her: that is the decree of (Him) the exalted in Might the All-Knowing.And the Moon We have measured for his mansions (to traverse) till he returns like the old (and withered) lower part of date-stalk." Surah 36, ayah 38-39

In this verse, we can see that the Qur'an explains how the sun has an appointed or allotted amount of time that it will last for. This agrees with the modern science which says that the sun will probably have a limited span of 5 billion years. However, the verse also mentions the moon's independent orbit around the earth in which it will return regardless of the sun's status with the earth. Here we can conclude that the sun and the moon have independent orbits, one closely connected to that of the earth, which is the moon, and the other with a limited term of orbit and life span and independent of the moon's orbit.

In all of the verses quoted, we see no references of any facts stating the sun is orbiting around the earth, which at the time was a very popular belief. Rather, we see the Qur'an stating that the moon and sun are quite independent and that they follow very different paths. Muslims at the time followed whatever scientific fact was in popular reason and in fact, when Ibn Shater during the 12th-13th century hypothesized that the earth was not the center of the universe and proved it by trigonometric means, Muslims had no problem accepting his theory.


Later on, Copernicus restated this theory to the Europeans. He received the credit for the discovery even until today. At the time, his theory was rejected and he was threatened by the church to change his opinion; which he did.

We can see the Muslims throughout history have had no problems accepting true scientific facts as it was part of their religious duty, but European Christians have always had to separate religion and science even until this very moment

check also:

http://www.themodernreligion.com/sci...ence_astro.htm

so another false claim of the kuffar nullified

[Karim_sunni]

Sun-set and Sun-rise

The Quran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:

· Quran-18:86: Till, when he (the traveler Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

· Quran- 18:90: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

There are serious scientific errors here. Firstly, it is a scientifically accepted fact that the Sun never goes down into a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away.” It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second journey THE PLACE where it rises.

This another bull**** false claim of the kuffar, allah swt here is just telling a story of a traveler who saw the sun set in a spring of muddy water, remeber a sunset on the beach,

chedk the following link, which nullifies their false claim:

http://www.answering-christianity.co...ise_sunset.htm


another great link

http://www.answering-christianity.co..._challenge.htm

[Karim_sunni]

Why Allah created Stars:

· Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:

· Quran-67:5: And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…

· Quran-37:6-8: We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.

Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

see the tafsir

(And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps, ) This refers to the stars which have been placed in the heavens, some moving and some stationary. In Allah's statement,


[وَجَعَلْنَـهَا رُجُوماً لِّلشَّيَـطِينِ]


(and We have made them (as) missiles to drive away the Shayatin,) The pronoun `them' in His statement, "and We have made them'' is the same type of statement as the stars being referred to as lamps. This does not mean that they are actually missiles, because the stars in the sky are not thrown. Rather, it is the meteors beneath them that are thrown and they are taken from the stars. And Allah knows best. Concerning Allah's statement,


[وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَهُمْ عَذَابَ السَّعِيرِ]


(and We have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire.) means, `We have made this disgrace for the devils in this life and We have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire in the Hereafter.' This is as Allah said in the beginning of Surat As-Saffat,


[إِنَّا زَيَّنَّا السَّمَآءَ الدُّنْيَا بِزِينَةٍ الْكَوَكِبِ - وَحِفْظاً مِّن كُلِّ شَيْطَـنٍ مَّارِدٍ - لاَّ يَسَّمَّعُونَ إِلَى الْمَلإِ الاٌّعْلَى وَيُقْذَفُونَ مِن كُلِّ جَانِبٍ - دُحُوراً وَلَهُمْ عَذابٌ وَاصِبٌ - إِلاَّ مَنْ خَطِفَ الْخَطْفَةَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ ثَاقِبٌ ]


(Verily, We have adorned the near heaven with the stars (for beauty). And to guard against every rebellious devil. They cannot listen to the higher group (angels) for they are pelted from every side. Outcast, and theirs is a constant (or painful) torment. Except such as snatch away something by stealing, and they are pursued by a flaming fire of piercing brightness.) [37:6-7] Qatadah said, "These stars were only created for three purposes: Allah created them as adornment for the heaven (sky), as missiles for the devils and as signs for navigation. Therefore, whoever seeks to interpret any other meanings for them other than these, then verily he has spoken with his own opinion, he has lost his portion and burdened himself with that which he has no knowledge of.'' Ibn Jarir and Ibn Abi Hatim both recorded this statement.


[وَلِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ بِرَبِّهِمْ عَذَابُ جَهَنَّمَ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ - إِذَآ أُلْقُواْ فِيهَا سَمِعُواْ لَهَا شَهِيقًا وَهِىَ تَفُورُ - تَكَادُ تَمَيَّزُ مِنَ الغَيْظِ كُلَّمَا أُلْقِىَ فِيهَا فَوْجٌ سَأَلَهُمْ خَزَنَتُهَآ أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ نَذِيرٌ - قَالُواْ بَلَى قَدْ جَآءَنَا نَذِيرٌ فَكَذَّبْنَا وَقُلْنَا مَا نَزَّلَ اللَّهُ مِن شَىْءٍ إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلاَّ فِى ضَلَـلٍ كَبِيرٍ - وَقَالُواْ لَوْ كُنَّا نَسْمَعُ أَوْ نَعْقِلُ مَا كُنَّا فِى أَصْحَـبِ السَّعِيرِ - فَاعْتَرَفُواْ بِذَنبِهِمْ فَسُحْقًا لاًّصْحَـبِ السَّعِيرِ ]


(6. And for those who disbelieve in their Lord is the torment of Hell, and worst indeed is that destination.) (7. When they are cast therein, they will hear its Shahiq while it is simmering.) (8. It almost bursts up with fury. Every time a group is cast therein, its keepers will ask: "Did no warner come to you'') (9. They will say: "Yes, indeed a warner did come to us, but we rejected him and said: `Allah never sent down anything; you are only in great error.''') (10. And they will say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would