Sidi Shaykh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi Talking About Sidi Shaykh Shukri Al Lakfi Of Damascus

[Nazar-Ba-Qadam]

Again, bad smell of peeri and title worshipping....

[NNoor]

Where are people coming up with these blanket accusations from? The video didn't mention anything about "intercession".

EmGee909 erroneously said:

The whole idea of Abdaals is ridiculous and very dangerous.

Then when confronted with ahadith, changed his statement and brought up the issue of intercession, which was mentioned nowhere in the video. Admittedly, he might have been responding to Seeker who said:

"The Prophet emphasized in many authentic narrations the benefits brought to all creation through the intercession of Allah's saints and their standing with Him."

He used the word intercession incorrectly, as what is intended here is "means" and not intercession. I think he was referencing the hadith he mentioned later:

The people of Syria were mentioned in front of `Ali ibn Abi Talib while he was in Iraq, and they said: "Curse them, O Commander of the Believers." He replied: "No, I heard the Messenger of Allah say: "The Substitutes (al-abdal) are in Syria and they are forty men, every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another in his place. By means of them Allah brings down the rain, gives (Muslims) victory over their enemies, and averts punishment from the people of Syria." " al-Haythami said: "The men in its chains are all those of the sahih except for Sharih ibn `Ubayd, and he is trustworthy (thiqa)."

And if by saint we just mean a very pious, holy person, then what is wrong with calling the abdal saints? That is exactly what they are.

So we should not create an argument where there needn't be one. Seeker could have used better English terminology, but there's no need to jump on him for it. (This does not mean I endorse everything he posts on the forum). Just trying to diffuse the situation a little.

[umar_italy]

1 - Belief in Allah
2 - Belief in his angels
3 - Belief in his books
4 - Belief in his prophets
5 - Belief in the last day
6 - Belief in life after death
7 - Belief in divine decree

No Abdals there.

Obviously there are scholars and learned people in our society that we should follow. But does this in anyway make them become saints? and does it mean that they will become intercessors between us and Allah on the day of judgement, even though we will have NO intercessor except Muhammad ? all these are very dangerous beliefs and there is a reason most scholars say that Sufis innovate too much.

brother.

1. Abdals are mentioned in the Ahadith.

2. The fact that believing in them is not part of the six pillars of Iman doesn't mean they aren't part of our belief, in the same way as the fact that eating halal meat is not part of the five pillars of Islam doesn't mean that it's not part of our Shari'ah.

3. "Saint" is just a (bad) translation for "wali", and the belief in awliya' is agreed upon by all scholars, even Salafis. And how could that be different, when they are clearly mentioned in Qur'an and Ahadith?

4. Then, even Shaykh Muhammad Ibn AbdulWahhab in his "Kitab al-Tawhid" mentions other intercessors on the day of judgment other than Rasulillah , as pious children, the memorizers of Qur'an, etc..

5. But most importantly, what does this discussion about abdals has to do with intercession?

I would humbly suggest more caution before writing.