Ta'addud Azwaaj in Islam

[Taliban1]

For me it’s a very simple issue, if my Nabi (saw) and Sahaba (ra) did any action then there can be no other way that is superior to their way in this world. Full stop

If I don’t want to do any sunnah action Allah will not ask me why didn’t you do this, but I have no right to find fault with the sunnah or say anything against it.

At the same time if someone does not act on any sunnah, no one has the right to question him why don’t you do it. Yes you should advise and encourage but cannot force anyone.

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[Taliban1]

For me it’s a very simple issue, if my Nabi (saw) and Sahaba (ra) did any action then there can be no other way that is superior to their way in this world. Full stop

If I don’t want to do any sunnah action Allah will not ask me why didn’t you do this, but I have no right to find fault with the sunnah or say anything against it.

At the same time if someone does not act on any sunnah, no one has the right to question him why don’t you do it. Yes you should advise and encourage but cannot force anyone.

Yes you cannot and shouldn't force. But as it goes that when a sunnat is either dead or is being looked at as if it's a sin to do it (practically) then shouldn't we stress on it more than others?

And well if you make it a habit of leaving sunnats then there will be questioning about it ....

[Taliban1]

@ brother Taliban: Sorry if this sounds offensive... But how comes you're so obsessed with the polygamy issue, that you do not even tolerate other opinions?

No offence taken, sod o zayan ki manzilon se aagay nikal chukay hain hum. Well brother the same question goes to those who don't like polygamy.. They are never ready to hear our point of view. Secondly i'm obsessed with this issue because the lack of practice of polygamy has ruined us and our society. If you go to Pakistan, you will find thousands of unmarried women, divorced, widows... Who will marry them? For example, in our times if a woman is divorced lets say in hers 20s or is widowed and she has kids, it becomes almost impossible that she will get married again. I know many women like that, even in my family... While Allah had to put a ban on proposing widows or divorcees in Sahaba's time because of the amount of proposals they got from Sahaba. What is the reason and what is the solution?

And i'm obsessed because this sunnah is seen as worst than a sin. I've seen women who said to their husbands when they married again, that it wouldve been better if u did zina than this. I've seen shuyookh making bayans against it. I've seen women sitting at home, getting old because of no decent husbands..... Well i can go on and on... There are alot of charities around the world who support the widows and the divorcees. So tell me do the widows and divorcees only need money? They don't have any emotions? they don't need any emotional support? they don't need a husband? or is money enough? actually the problem is that we are happily married. Our wives are living happily in their homes. So why should they think about others? That's the main problem.

I'm obsessed because recently i asked my ex sheikh that i want to marry again. Well first of all he said NO. I asked why? No reason. Secondly, he started abusing me and treating me as if i'm doing zina. Thirdly he made me an example in his bayan and portrayed me as if i'm having a difficult life with my first wife and i'm just a person who's lusting after women.... etc etc..

WHY SO AGAINST POLYGAMY?

Isn't ita virtue and sawab to get married because you want to save yourself from sin? Isn't it a proven by hadith that to fulfill your desires by your wife is a deed on which you are rewarded? So if a person wants a second wife why is he seen as if he's worst than a zani?

Many more reasons why i'm obsessed with polygamy.....

[Taliban1]

@Taliban

Talaq is completely Legal, But won't you advice against it if it were to do more Bad than Good. Similarly Polygamy if done Ideally and properly its a very good thing. But considering the situation of the people at present maybe one has to think twice before doing 2nd Marriage. The main problem is to treat both the wives equally. I personally think there are very few people who are capable of that. But its always a choice for who can follow it correctly.
Allah knows best.

And i personally think that there are very few people who are capable of fulfilling the rights of even one wife and my belief is not based on assumptions, its based on experience. How? Because we see all around us so many talaqs, so many fights, so many seperations between the husband and the one and only wife? WHY? So how many people have you seen who married twice and haven't done justice? Is it experience or just an assumption injected into our hearts and our minds by the media?

[xs11ax]

a local imam of a masjid in batley was removed from his post and given a hard time by some members of the community. his sin was that he took a second wife. there is something definitely wrong in people's mentality today.

[Taliban1]

a local imam of a masjid in batley was removed from his post and given a hard time by some members of the community. his sin was that he took a second wife. there is something definitely wrong in people's mentality today.

See, this is exactly what i'm trying to say.. And this is another reason why i'm obsessed with it.

Another proof to my claim that people practically do SHOW that they think of polygamy as HARAM although they say otherwise....

[Jawad_ Khan]

Well brother you couldve directly said that your niyat doesn't seem to be so pure instead of mentioning about my intention at all. It is a question not a confusion. Yes i very well understand about the respect part. It's also not very pertinent here. I didn't disrespect anyone but well it's the trend these days that if you question a sheikh's actions or sayings the mureeds will use this card and start hating the guy. Yes i know alot about this, ive spent alot of time in the khanqah. My house was near khanqah, and i used to come in bayans. One day i came and a khalifah was making bayan in the masjid. I had long hair and i was sitting in front of him. So he started against long hair. He said to shave the head is sunnah and the whole bayan was against hair. Well man it's written very clearly in radd ul mukhtar that to claim that shaving the head is sunnah is bidat. In normal circumstances Rasool Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam never kept his head shaved. It was only on hajj or umrah. Khair that was my last day there.

As for your saying that the answer hazrat e aqdas db gave was specific to the mureed. I don't see it as very specific. The answer is very general. If it was specific, the answer wouldve been like it's not good for you. If you please read the answer again. I won't say anything regarding to the answer itself otherwise you'll start shouting be-adab be muraad, ba-adab ba muraad....

Sorry for be adbi

I did not doubt your niyat at all, neither am I accusing you of being bay adab. I love you for the sake of Allah(SWT) as you are my muslim brother. As for the issue, it would be useless to say anything here.

Since you seem to be in Karachi, the best thing would be to visit Khanqah and ask hazrat yourself. It is highly inappropriate to attribute something to a buzurg without complete knowledge.

[Taliban1]

Bismillahi
Dowry is not bcos lack of polygamy or else it wont go for centuries here.
It is that they are in ignorance following the mushriks of al-hind.

Lack of polygamy is also beacause they are in ignorance following the mushriks of al-hind.

I was told every year in india when we compare the number of marriages, the number of divorces filed in the muslim community is more than that.
When people cant tolerate one wife and fitna is in a shooting level, will ulema and that too of shuyook type, will they think of saving one single marriage or push them towards destroying more families.

The number of failed single marriages are far more than failed polygamous marriages. So why don't we start telling people not to even get married the first time. It's better than ruining lives of two families. The first reason given against polygamy is that people can't do justice and there will be ruined families and troubles in life. So as we can see that single marriage have far more troubles, then why don't we use the same logic against first marriages?

Sahabahs and their wives they were all well acquainted with polygamy even before islam. There the wives came down from 10s to 4 and here the case is different. You say Allah SWT allowed and there can be people of view that it is bcos of weakness of men keeping up the rights, Allah didnt make it compulsory and He SWt warned like mentioned by the hazrat. So each can have their views and so I think Hazrat said keeping in mind the state of the muslims society he is living in. Allahu alam.

Well there might be very few Sahaba who went from 10 to 4 compared to the ones who went from 0 to 4. Why? Because they understood the fact that Quran encourages polygamy. Because Rasool Allah sallallahua laihi wasallam will feel proud on the majority of this ummah thats why he encouraged us to marry. Hazrat Umar razi Allah unhu says that wallahi i dont have any need of marriage but i just marry so that Allah gives me children and Rasool Allah sallallahu aliahi wasallam feels proud of us. And today we are such that we don't even want our prophet to feel proud of us.

Yes Allah didn't make it compulsory but Allah did encourage it (please refer to tafaseer for this claim) because Allah knew that there would be more women than men. So it's quite natural that men marry more than once to maintain the balance. Why is the balance so out today? Why is it so difficult to get married today for women? Do we find any instance where a sahabi would come to Rasool Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam and say ya Rasool Allah please make dua that my daughter gets married. I can't find rishtas for her. No, because they were okay with polygamy.

If you say it was the culture and normal for them, then i'm sorry to say that this is a big buhtan on Sahaba that they did it because of culture. Well didn't they oppose their culture in thousands of things? if there a bigger thing than to oppose your tribe and accept Islam? It was very big at that time. So if they could do other things because of Islam, then they could also be okay with polygamy because of Islam. It was more because of Deen than Islam because they saw with their own eyes that our prophet, who is the Imam of Zahideen, has married 11 women inspite of being so poor, then why shouldn't we follow him in this aspect?

[amr123]

And i personally think that there are very few people who are capable of fulfilling the rights of even one wife and my belief is not based on assumptions, its based on experience. How? Because we see all around us so many talaqs, so many fights, so many seperations between the husband and the one and only wife? WHY? So how many people have you seen who married twice and haven't done justice? Is it experience or just an assumption injected into our hearts and our minds by the media?

Yes very few people can fulfill even one wife's rights.

And yes you are right, It was my personal assumption. But as I told you If one is confident about treating all the wives equally, Then He should go ahead. No problem in that.

I m not married yet. But I personally think/assume that one wife will be more than i can handle. I wouldnt even dream about the second one.

[Taliban1]

Yes very few people can fulfill even one wife's rights.

And yes you are right, It was my personal assumption. But as I told you If one is confident about treating all the wives equally, Then He should go ahead. No problem in that.

I m not married yet. But I personally think/assume that one wife will be more than i can handle. I wouldnt even dream about the second one.

So won't Allah ask you in making such assumptions to discourage people from practicing a sunnah? Is se acha to yeh hai keh aap logon ko hosla do takay woh larkion, aurton ka ghr basaain..

Kisi achay hakeem ko dikhaain. Number chahiye to mein de deta hoon.