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    With regards to the story of Khidr and Musa, Imam al-Razi stated: "It is possible that a non-prophet is superior to a prophet in sciences/knowledge upon which his prophethood does not depend."

    يجوز أن يكون غير النبي فوق النبي في علوم لا تتوقف نبوته عليها

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    Regarding his "analysis" of the passage from Hifz al-Iman on p. 19, Munawwar concludes: "The careful reader notices that Thanawi claimed the Noble Prophet’s (Allah give him peace and blessings) partial knowledge was not a unique speciality. How did he deny this? It was by comparing Prophetic Knowledge to that of lowly creatures, every layman and insane people."

    The first sentence is true but the last sentence, "it was by comparing Prophetic Knowledge to that of lowly creatures," is not. The quote from Hifz al-Iman does not make any comparison (tashbih) of prophetic knowledge; i.e. he does not say "the knowledge of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) was like the knowledge of so-and-so." Rather, he said "such knowledge of the unseen (eysa 'ilm gayb) is possessed by so-and-so." By "such knowledge of the unseen" is not meant "prophetic knowledge of the unseen" or knowledge possessed by the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) as Ahmad Rida and Munawwar miscontrued it, but refers to "partial knowledge of the unseen" (ba'z 'ulum ghaybiyya).

    Ahmad Rida said in Husam al-Haramayn: "He [i.e. Mawlana Thanawi] stated explicitly (sarraha) in it [i.e. Hifz al-Iman] that the knowledge of unseen matters [possessed] by Allah's Messenger (Allah bless him and grant him peace), the equivalent of it has been acquired by every child and madman..." (sarraha fiha bi anna al-'ilm alladhi li Rasul Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam bi al-mughayyabat fainna mithlahi hasilun li kulli sabiyyin wa kulli majnun). Note: he says this meaning is explicitly clear (sarih). A little later he writes "Look...how he makes [the knowledge of] Allah's Messenger (Allah bless him and grant him peace) equal to so-and-so and so-and-so." For a sentence to be sarih it means no other meaning is possible. However, although the word eysa may mean the "exact equivalent" (mithl) as Ahmad Rida translated it (fa inna mithla hadha al-'ilm bi al-ghayb...), it can also mean "this type" of knowledge. In other words, the passage from Hifz al-Iman could either mean the knowledge of unseen possessed by the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) is possessed by those others (the meaning which Ahmad Rida imputed to him) or the type of partial knowledge of unseen is possessed by those others; the latter meaning is specified by the sentence immediately after (which Ahmad Rida did not quote while including translations of sections before and after it, and Munawwar does not quote it either although it is present in Nuh Keller's article): "For every individual knows something that is hidden from another individual" (kyunkeh hur shaks ko kisi ne kisi eysi bat ka ilm hota hey jo dosre shaks sey makhfi hey). If this was not clear enough, Mawlana Thanawi was asked the question, did you say "knowledge of the unseen just as it is possessed by the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam), the same is possessed by every child, madman..." (the questioner says this was the allegation made by Ahmad Rida) (ghayb ki batoh ka ilm jesa ke janab Rasul Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam ko hey eysa hurr buchchoh...). Mawlana Thanawi replied, he nowhere wrote this and this revolting (khabis) thought did not even cross his mind. He then explains what is meant by the word "eysa": "the intent of the word eysa was not that the knowledge that is actually possessed by him has been acquired by so-and-so, Allah's refuge is sought from this, rather the intent of this word eysa is that which was mentioned above i.e. in general partial knowledge [of the unseen]." (lafz eysa ka yeh matlab nehi keh jeysa 'ilm waqi' meh huzur sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam ko hasil hey ilakh na'uzu bi Allah minha bulkeh murad is lafz eysa sey wuhi hey jo uper mazkur hey ya'ni mutlaq ba'z 'ilm). This answer was printed together with Hifz al-Iman under the title Bast al-Banan in the year 1329 H/1911 AD, more than a decade before the death of Ahmad Rida, yet he did not acknowledge it, let alone retract from his original statements. This demonstrates Ahmad Rida had no intention to "correct" the aqidah of supposedly misguided people, but rather to deceive others into believing certain people committed acts of disbelief though they are innocent of these charges.

    In sum, the sentence is not explcitly clear (sarih) in the meaning Ahmad Rida falsely claimed, rather the other meaning explained above is also a possible meaning of the sentence and is in fact the most obvious meaning from the context (as Thanawi also states in Bast al-Banan).

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    Munawwar says: "[He] ignored the crucial point that virtue was not restricted to full knowledge (kull ghayb), but in fact, even partial knowledge was virtuous."

    The discussion in Hifz al-Iman is about unrestrictedly using (itlaq) the term "knowledge of ghayb" for the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam). He said in its technical meaning no one can share this designation with Allah as it means knowledge for which there is no evidence or means. In its non-technical definition, which includes knowledge which is absent from some but available to others (as evidenced by Qur'an 3:44, 11:49, 12:102), everyone has some of this knowledge. To specify the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) with the designation of possessing knowledge of the ghayb (itlaq 'ilm al-ghayb) and thereby distinguishing him from the rest of creation is incorrect as he does not possess complete knowledge of it, and partial knowledge is not unique to him. This was also mentioned in books of Kalam in response to philosophers who claimed prophets are distinguished by knowledge of ghayb; see for example the quote from Sharh al-Mawaqif translated here. Similarly, Mahmud ibn 'Abd al-Rahman al-Isfihani (674-749 H) wrote in his commentary of Baydawi's Tawali' al-Anwar: "The philosophers with respect to the religious law, took the position that a prophet is one who has been identified as having three specific characteristics: a) he is one who is well-acquainted with the unseen...If the philosophers meant by 'being well-acquainted,' an acquaintance with all the unseen, then by consensus that would not be a condition for an individual to be a prophet. If they mean by it an acquaintance with only some of the unseen things, then that [also] would not specifically designate a prophet, since everyone might admissibly have an acquaintance with some of these unseen things." (translation by James W. Pollock, available here p. 962)

    Thanawi's point therefore that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) is not distinguished in the possession of this non-technical type of ghayb is sound, based on the same reasoning used by 'Adud al-Din al-Iji and Mahmud al-Isfihani. Uniquely designating him with knowledge of the unseen therefore is inaccurate.

    Munawwar's argument, "For example, the degrees among ulama are considered virtuous even though their knowledge is partial," is therefore irrelevant as the discussion is about uniquely designating the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) with knowledge of the unseen. A better illustration of Mawlana Thanawi's argument would be to say: It would not be accurate to claim only so-and-so is blessed with knowledge, since he does not have complete knowledge by agreement and his partial knowledge is shared with others.

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    His discussion regarding Shah Isma'il's position on pp. 19-21 is taken mostly from Gibril Haddad's unfortunate review, the flaws in which can be found here. And his quotations from Deobandi authors on pp. 21-2 stating that the belief that a creature possesses knowledge of the ghayb is kufr and shirk is clearly justified by the statements of the scholars quoted in above posts - "ghayb" technically means that knowledge to which there is no evidence and means, and such knowledge belongs only to Allah, so to attribute it unqualifiedly/unrestrictedly/absolutely (mutlaqan - i.e. without qualificaiton) to another is shirk.
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    Default Re: Barelwi Article on Ilm al-Ghayb

    Munawwar now admitted his mistake and edited his article:

    In Shaq al-Jayb an Haq al-Gayb, Ashraf Ali
    Thanawi also notes that knowledge of the final hour and of all events till the day of judgment are
    matters in which there is scholarly disagreement and thus undeserving of an innovation fatwa
    however he is incorrect in claiming that the reports establishing knowledge of these matters are
    “unfounded” (gayr thabitah) and “short from fulfilling the purpose” (gayr kafiyah fi al-dilalah)52.

    However, apparently Munawwar has not read the Urdu text properly since Ml. Thanwi clearly calls this belief an innovation on the exact same page Munawwar referred to
    Munawwar changed the above quote to:

    In Shaq al-Jayb an Haq al-Gayb, Ashraf Ali
    Thanawi notes that knowledge of the final hour and of all events till the day of judgment are
    matters in which there is scholarly disagreement but thereafter says “it does not extend beyond
    the boundary of innovation”53
    and inaccurately claims that the reports establishing knowledge
    of these matters are “unfounded” (gayr thabitah) and “short from fulfilling the purpose” (gayr
    kafiyah fi al-dilalah)54.

    53. This devastating comment implies that all those scholars and men of tasawwuf that Imam Kattani
    mentions in Jala al-Qulub to hold view five (see p. 6-7 above) and Imam Ahmad Raza names by number in Khaalis al-I’tiqaad are innovators and out of the Sunnifold! This fatwa of innovation is in addition to his kufr fatwa shown above on p. 21 [Updated 02/07/2011].
    And if he were to ask for a gentle lady in marriage, he would be refused, and when he leaves the world it does not miss him, and if he goes out, his going out is not noticed, and if he falls sick, he is not attended to, and if he dies, he is not accompanied to his grave.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzzammil Husayn View Post
    but he clarifies that the claim is not made that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) is like the shaytan in being present at and knowing the despicable places of kufr and fisq (p. 181).
    I believe this quote of Rampuri should me more highlighted than anything else, as also stated by Ml. Sarfraz in Ibarat Akabir. With the angel of death they can cite the excuse that it is a pure angel. But why the comparison with the devil and then claiming that the angel of death and the devil are present in MORE places than the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam).

    Rampuri clearly states that "we" do not believe that the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) is present in every gathering of the mawlid, but they do believe that the devil is present in every place:

    "The people of the gathering of mawlid do not claim that the Prophet is present in all pure and impure gatherings, religious and irreligious places. The Angel of Death and Iblis can be found in far more places of purity, impurity (napaak), unbelief and not unbelief (ghayr kufr)." (p. 181, sixth line from under)

    Before he says:

    "Look, the devil is present in every place (har jaga). In Durr Mukhtar under the rulings of prayer it is written that the Devil remains with the children of Adam and his child remains with men (aadmiyon) in the evening." (p. 180 of anwar sati'a)

    And:

    "When the moon and sun is present in every place, and in every place on earth (zameen) the Devil is present, and the angel of death is present in every place, how can this be a specfic attribute of Allah?" (p. 181)

    So we ask the Barelwis: why do you not declare Rampuri a Kaafir for saying that the devil is present in more places than the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam)? Why not declare him a kaafir for such a comparison?
    Last edited by Ansari; 13-08-2011 at 04:31 PM.
    And if he were to ask for a gentle lady in marriage, he would be refused, and when he leaves the world it does not miss him, and if he goes out, his going out is not noticed, and if he falls sick, he is not attended to, and if he dies, he is not accompanied to his grave.


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    Regarding his quotation from Shah Isma'il on p. 20, "If someone asks about the number of leaves on a tree or the number of stars in the sky, then one should not say “Allah and His Messenger know” because only Allah knows the unseen, what does the Messenger know [about them]?"

    The full passage (from the recent English tr. which is consistent with the older English tr., the Arabic tr. and the original Urdu):

    It is narrated in Sharh As-Sunnah by Hudhaifa {May Allah have mercy on him} that the Prophet {peace be upon Him} said:

    "Do not say, what Allah and Muhammad {Peace be upon Him} wished, but you should only say, what Allah wished."

    It means that none of the creatures has a say in the matters concerning Divinity, no matter how great and close one that creature could be. For instance, one should never say that if Allah and His Messenger wished, it should happen so, since all the things in the world happen by the Will of Allah only and not by the will of the Prophet. If someone enquires of you as to what a person really conceals in his heart, or when that person shall be marrying or how many leaves that particular tree bears or how many stars are there up in the heavens, never respond to him by saying that these things are only known by Allah and His Prophet, as the knowledge of the unseen rests with Allah and not with His Prophet. However, there is no harm if someone says such a thing in regard to the religious matters as Allah has given a full knowledge of religion to His Prophet and has commanded people to comply with the instructions of His Prophet. (p. 129)

    This statement is confirmed by the Hanafi texts which clearly state that if somebody says the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) is witness of the marriage session, he has disbelieved, as he attributed the unseen to other than Allah - and Shah Isma'il specifically mentions marriage, as well as other worldly details, amongst the things knowledge of which cannot be attributed to him unconditionally. [As Ibn Nujaym quotes the Hanafi fatwa books: وفي الخانية والخلاصة لو تزوج بشهادة الله ورسوله لا ينعقد ويكفر لاعتقاده أن النبي يعلم الغيب - "In al-Khaniyya and al-Khulasa: If one were to marry by making Allah and His Messenger witness, the marriage will not take place, and he becomes a disbeliever for believing that the Prophet knows the unseen."] Shah Isma'il's statement is therefore consistent with these texts.

    Moreover, he clarifies that to say this ("Allah and His Messenger knows") with respect to Shari'ah rulings, there is no harm, because Allah has informed the Messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) of the matters of religion.

    In context - as an explanation of the hadith and with the concluding comment - therefore, this passage from Taqwiyat al-Iman is not as outrageous as Munawwar tried to make out in his article.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansari View Post
    I believe this quote of Rampuri should me more highlighted than anything else, as also stated by Ml. Sarfraz in Ibarat Akabir. With the angel of death they can cite the excuse that it is a pure angel. But why the comparison with the devil and then claiming that the angel of death and the devil are present in MORE places than the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam).

    Rampuri clearly states that "we" do not believe that the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) is present in every gathering of the mawlid, but they do believe that the devil is present in every place:

    "The people of the gathering of mawlid do not claim that the Prophet is present in all pure and impure gatherings, religious and irreligious places. The Angel of Death and Iblis can be found in far more places of purity, impurity (napaak), unbelief and not unbelief (ghayr kufr)." (p. 181, sixth line from under)

    Before he says:

    "Look, the devil is present in every place (har jaga). In Durr al-Mukhtar under the rulings of prayer it is written that the Devil remains with the children of Adam and his child remains with men (aadmiyon) in the evening." (p. 180 of anwar sati'a)

    And:

    "When the moon and sun is present in every place, and in every place on earth (zameen) the Devil is present, and the angel of death is present in every place, how can this be a specfic attribute of Allah?" (p. 181)

    So we ask the Barelwis: why do you not declare Rampuri a Kaafir for saying that the devil is present in more places than the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam)? Why not declare him a kaafir for such a comparison?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzzammil Husayn View Post
    Mulla 'Ali al-Qari said in Sharh al-Fiqh al-Akbar:

    "In sum, knowledge of ghayb is a matter exclusive Him - Glorified is He - and there is no path for the servants to it."

    بالجملة فالعلم بالغيب أمر تفرد به سبحانه ولا سبيل للعباد إليه


    And a little later he wrote:

    "Know that the Prophets (upon them blessing and peace) do not know the unseen matters (mughayyabat) of things except what Allah has taught them from time to time. The Hanafis have mentioned with clear statements that by believing the Prophet (upon him blessing and peace) knew the unseen one is declared a disbeliever due to conflict with His (Exalted is He) statement: “Say: None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen but Allah.”"

    اعلم أن الأنبياء عليهم الصلاة والسلام لم يعلموا المغيبات من الأشياء إلا ما أعلمهم الله أحيانا ، وذكر الحنفية تصريحا بالتكفير باعتقاد أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يعلم الغيب لمعارضة قوله تعالى قل لا يعلم من في السماوات والأرض الغيب إلا الله
    Reiterating and summarising the Hanafi view, Ibn 'Abidin al-Shami wrote in Radd al-Muhtar (vol. 6 p. 385): "To claim knowledge of the ghayb [for anyone] clashes with the clear text of the Qur'an, so one becomes a disbeliever by this [claim]; unless he attributes it explicitly or by indication to a means from Allah (Most High) like revelation [to prophets] or inspiration, and likewise if he attributes it to a sign determined by Allah (Most High) as the normal course of nature."

    دعوى علم الغيب معارضة لنص القرآن فيكفر بها إلا إذا أسند ذلك صريحا أو دلالة إلى سبب من الله تعالى كوحي أو إلهام وكذا لو أسنده إلى أمارة عادية بجعل الله تعالى


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    A so-called reply by Munawwar to some parts posted on the forum:

    http://scholarsink.files.wordpress.c...notions_p1.pdf

    He fails to mention what those mufassireen stated about the knowledge of the 5? What did they say about ascribing filthy knowledge to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam?
    And if he were to ask for a gentle lady in marriage, he would be refused, and when he leaves the world it does not miss him, and if he goes out, his going out is not noticed, and if he falls sick, he is not attended to, and if he dies, he is not accompanied to his grave.


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    Default Re: Barelwi Article on Ilm al-Ghayb

    Ask Allamah khalid mahmud to reply


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    Quote Originally Posted by akabirofdeoband View Post
    Ask Allamah khalid mahmud to reply
    He already replied through his book mutali'a barewliyat. Munawwar is a nobody and asking for a separate reply by such a big scholar would give him too much fame and honour. The forum posts are more than enough.
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    And if he were to ask for a gentle lady in marriage, he would be refused, and when he leaves the world it does not miss him, and if he goes out, his going out is not noticed, and if he falls sick, he is not attended to, and if he dies, he is not accompanied to his grave.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansari View Post
    A so-called reply by Munawwar to some parts posted on the forum:

    http://scholarsink.files.wordpress.c...notions_p1.pdf
    I will address a few technical errors and objections to his article:

    1. He refers to al-Alusi to prove the claim that verse 16:89 of the Qur'an refers to literally every single thing in creation (pp. 3-4). Although Alusi does attribute this view to "some of them" (ba'duhum), he does not specify any exegete or scholar in particular. And in fact slightly earlier he states: "The majority of the exegetes have taken the view of specifying ["thing" to matters of need and religion], and that was narrated from Mujahid."

    ذهب أكثر المفسرين إلى اعتبار التخصيص وروي ذلك عن مجاهد


    Alusi clearly states Mujahid did specify the verse [and this is narrated from him with sound chains from Tabari's tafsir under the verse] contrary to Munawwar's assertion that the early exegetes did not. And he makes it absolutely clear that this is the view of the vast majority of the exegetes, and this is plainly clear if you search the tafsir of the verse from every tafsir of the altafsir.com database. Tabari, Zamakhshari, Razi, Qurtubi, Baydawi, Jalal al-Din Mahalli and Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, Fayruzabadi, Shawkani, Baghawi, Khazin, Ibn al-Jawzi, al-Nasafi, Abu Hayyan, Abu al-Sa'ud, Isma'il al-Haqqi, Tabrani and other mufassirun all specified the verse.

    Munawwar dishonestly claims about Alusi's tafsir "He then quotes statements of Imam Ibn al-Arabi, Sayyiduna Ali, Imam Suyuti and Imam Mursi, and Sayyiduna Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud and Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleased with them all) on the generality of this verse." Alusi does no such thing. Rather, he says this tafsir is supported (yu'ayyidu) by specific things reported from those individuals, and he does not quote any of them stating the tafsir of this verse is what he mentioned.

    Regarding Ibn al-'Arabi, Alusi mentions that he extracted certain information about the future from the Qur'an as did 'Ali (radiy Allahu 'anhu), although he gives no information as to the authenticity of these attributions. As Mufti Shafi' mentions in his tafsir, however, this does not contradict the majority-view that "all things" refers to religious matters, as these informations that are extracted are based on allusions and hints and not therefore included in the "exposition/explanation" (tibyan).

    Munawwar claims Alusi quotes from "Imam al-Suyuti and Imam Mursi...on the generality of this verse." Neither Imam al-Suyuti nor al-Mursi is quoted in relation to the verse, rather Imam al-Suyuti is quoted quoting al-Mursi saying the following: "The Qur'an gathers the sciences of the earlier and later peoples, in a manner by which none encompasses it by true knowledge except its Speaker [i.e. Allah], and then the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) except what He (سبحانه) preferred for Himself."

    وقد نقل الجلال السيوطي عن المرسي أنه قال: جمع القرآن علوم الأولين والآخرين بحيث لم يحط بها علماً حقيقة إلا المتكلم به ثم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم خلا ما استأثر به سبحانه

    This statement in fact proves "restriction" as Mursi says although the Qur'an contains the knowledge of the earlier and later peoples, only Allah can truly comprehend this knowledge in His speech, and the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) was also given this knowledge but with certain exceptions. This is therefore not in support of Munawwar's claim. Mursi's quote continues to say: "Then the masters of the Sahabah like the four calphs and like Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Mas'ud inherited from him (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) most of that [i.e. not all of it]."

    ثم ورث عنه معظم ذلك سادات الصحابة وأعلامهم مثل الخلفاء الأربعة ومثل ابن عباس وابن مسعود

    Thus, in Mursi's statement (which is also the source of the attribution of this view to ibn 'Abbas and ibn Mas'ud), there is restriction after restriction. Munawwar's claim that Alusi "then quotes statements of Imam Ibn al-Arabi, Sayyiduna Ali, Imam Suyuti and Imam Mursi, and Sayyiduna Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud and Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleased with them all) on the generality of this verse," is therefore no doubt a lie.

    2. On page 9 and 14, he refers to a statement from Mujahid recorded in Ibn Abi Hatim's tafsir regarding verse 6:154. Ibn Abi Hatim's tafsir is available for download here. The particular narration is no. 8115 which comes through a route with questionable narrators [Muhammad ibn Muslim al-Ta'ifi about whom al-'Asqalani says in al-Taqrib "reliable, but erring in his memory;" and Khusayf ibn 'Abd al-Rahman about whom al-'Asqalani says "reliable, bad memory, he became mixed-up towards his end, and he was accused of irja."] Furthermore, if this narration must mean that "an explanation of all things" in 6:154 is taken generally and literally according to Mujahid, it would contradict the narration narrated by Ibn Abi Hatim immediately after this one also from Mujahid (but which Munawwar conveniently ignored) with a sound chain of narration [all the narrators are narrators of all six of the major collections of hadith, except Ibn Abi Hatim's shaykh who is saduq according to Misbah al-Arib]: "'of all things' i.e. what they were commanded and what they were forbidden." This is a clear authentic tafsir from Mujahid on the specification of this verse also just as he specified 16:89, and al-Tabari narrates many similar narrations under verse (6:154) from others of the Salaf.

    3. On page 15, he says regarding the tafsir of Ibn Mas'ud I referred to in my first post above and showed its chain is weak: "Firstly, this tafsir is narrated by scholars other than al-Tabari too. Imam Kattani (p. 285) relies on this tafsir quoting Ibn Abi Hatim in addition to al-Tabari. It is a basic concept in Usul al-Hadith that if a chain is proven weak it does not ultimately weaken the wording narrated as there can be other chains to the wording too." A weak chain can be strengthened by a supporting chain but Munawwar offers no evidence how the chain of al-Tabari's is strenghtened by any other supporting chain, but leaves it to the reader to check up the other reference to Ibn Abi Hatim. In his tafsir of 16:89, Ibn Abi Hatim refers to a tafsir of Ibn Mas'ud as follows: "Indeed Allah revealed in this book an explanation for all things, and we know some from what He explained to us in the Qur’an, then he recited “And We revealed to you the Book as an explanation for all things,” and he said: via the Sunnah." (no. 12632) This in fact supports restriction as Ibn Mas'ud is reported to say the explanation of all things come via the Sunnah. More importantly, however, Ibn Abi Hatim does not provide a chain for this report and instead mentions it without chain (mu'allaq). Therefore, this tafsir from Ibn Mas'ud, as narrated by al-Tabari, remains weak due to the defects (da'f and jahala) in the three narrators I mentioned in my first post. Munawwar ostentatiously repeatedly refers to a "rich Islamic intellectual tradition" that he supposedly inherited and from which the "Deobandis" are deprived, yet he can't assess the weakness or strength of a narration using that intellectual tradition as evident in these last two points, and he lies about it - as evident from the first point - in order to support his sectarian leader's view.

    4. On page 17, he refers to my earlier quote from al-Baydawi and then wrongly imputes [either due to ignorance or dishonesty] an opinion to the commentator of al-Baydawi, al-Shihab al-Khafaji. The particular commentary can be found here (volume 5 of 'Inayat al-Qadi) on p. 362. Munawwar says, al-Shihab al-Khafaji criticised al-Baydawi's view with the objection that "His (i.e. Baydawi's) assertion “from the matters of religion” is a restriction that this place (i.e. verse) does not require," whereas in fact al-Khafaji said this quoting a second tafsir, and in fact refutes it based on the fact that Baydawi's tafsir is required by the context - the exact opposite of what Munawwar imputed to him! Al-Shihab al-Khafaji's commentary, translated, is as follows:

    Baydawi said [in commentary of 16:89]: “of all things from the matters of religion in detail or summary by reference to the Sunnah and Qiyas.”

    Al-Shihab al-Khafaji comments:

    He preferred this [meaning] so kull (all) remains on its literal meaning. However, he specified the generality of shay’ (thing) by a qualification or description [i.e. “from the matters of religion”] that is determined by the indication of the context, and that is that the sending of prophets (upon them peace) [which is referred to in the same verse] was only to explain religion, and for this reason, he (upon him peace) said: “You are more learned about the matters of your world,” and for this reason they were answered regarding the new moons with what they were answered [a reference to Qur’an 2:189 where the Sahabah asked about the new moons, probably from a scientific perspective, and the answer they received was from a religious perspective].

    It was said: kull is for abundance (takthir) and magnification (tafkhim) [and not literally “all”] as in His statement: “It shall annihilate everything by the command of its Lord” (46:25), since what is in the encompassment and generalisation [of kull] is found in tibyan of exaggerated explanation [and not complete explanation], and that his statement “from the matters of religion” is a specification not required by the context [this latter portion is what Munawwar quotes and is in fact from the statement of the one from whom "it was said" and is not al-Khafaji's own statement].

    You know the refutation of the second [opinion] [i.e. that it is in fact required by the context - a reference to his earlier comment that the context does require it]. As for the first, it may be contested by [saying] that that [verse] is in accordance with quantity not quality. Each one [of these opinions] have their perspective [a reference to Qur’an 2:148] and that which gives preference to the first [i.e. Baydawi's commentary] is kull is kept in its literal meaning in the sentence.

    It is clear, therefore, Munawwar not only lied about Alusi's passage referred to in the first point above, but also misread or lied about this passage from al-Khafaji's commentary. That, in my opinion, is not representative of our lofty scholarly tradition, which Munawwar boasts having monopoly over.

    5. Finally, Munawwar does not see the irony in his statement on p. 6: "When will the Deobandis refrain from repugnant fatwas of innovation on the major scholars of this ummah? It is about time that they realise the implications of these knee-jerk fatwas." Most of the above posts were to demonstrate that Munawwar's support of the fatwas of kufr were based on a clear misreading and misrepresentation of the passages from the scholars he quoted; furtheremore, they show the correct definition of 'ilm al-ghayb from the scholars of the Hanafi school, and how this supports the views of Mawlana Gangohi, Thanawi and others. Isn't it about time that the Shi'a/Qadiyani-influenced Berelwi school [if he is allowed to say "Wahhabi-influenced Deobandi school"...] realise the implications of their reckless fatwas of takfir?

    The above was not meant as a rebuttal to Munawwar's view regarding the tafsir of verse 16:89 [although Alusi's comment above about the majority view on takhsis should be sufficient to know the safest stance in this matter], but an illustration of his disingenuousness to have monopoly over the Islamic tradition - while lying about and misreading that very tradition - and his supposed carefulness in issuing fatwas of tabdi' and takfir while his last article was full of it and when refuted in the above posts, not only does he not address it, he claims his "opponents" are reckless knee-jerk tabdi'is. His entire approach is fake, as there is no doubt his purpose is to defame "Deobandis" and support Ahmad Rida Khan's strange opinions, and yet he pretends his writings are a result of his being true to the rich scholarly tradition he supposedly inherited!


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