Jama'tut-Tabligh and Tasawwuf

[samy.3660]

Assalamualaikum brothers...!
Almighty bless you all....!
well brother i dont know anything...you people know what...really i respect all causes of deen from my heart...!
i came just from the majlis of Maulana Sajjad Nomani Sb DB...he is here in our city srinagar, kashmir today...why would i go in his majlis if i would belittle other causes of deen....brothers i love you all after all you are among those muslims who work for the upliftment of muslims...may allah help you all...!
Well brothers...what we do and what we not do lies within whom we follow and whom we not follow...in other words it is aqeedat of someone whose advices we follow...salikeen follow advices of their respective sheikhs as they have aatimaad and aatikaad with them....similarly others people....!
brothers i am sorry if i hurt someone...what our elders say i should do it and i cannot compel it to others until they too have aqeedat with our elders as i have...so it would be better for me not to share my feelings in public forum...i now got what brother ahmad said ....see brothers there is something within my heart which i cant show you by words nor can i express it...let it be with me and i would share it with brothers who accompany me... because feelings are shared by suhbat...anyway brothers...!
Allah bless you all...see brothers there is one thing ...as our aamal as are the orders from Allah...what are aamals of our people of our city and state we know better...so do such effort of deen by which we and whole ummat will walk on deen...!
Our elders say there is no takabul (comparison) in causes of deen...let each person do the effort as his elder says(like his Murshid or Sheikh)...and Our Ameer Sb DB of Kashmir is a high level sufi saint and a great daaiee...he once said "Saalikeen to mat chhedoo" (Dont interfere with matters of saalikeen)....Sorry brothers the posts i wrote were not for you...these are to be shared with old workers of tabligh...Other brothers who do some other effort of deen like saalikeen would not understand it just like we wont understand high masaail (like that of inheritance) ...!

So brothers...tell me how to delete SF account...!

WalaikumuSalaam brother,I also try to listen to maulana Sajjad nomani DB bayans, he has his khanqah in our city. Remember me in your duas.

[xs11ax]

Fighting for your land is also a jihad. please correct me if i am wrong.

fighting for muslim lands and protecting its borders is jihad.

[sabm90]

Assalamualaikum brothers...!

PLEASE READ EACH AND EVERY WORD CAREFULLY AND WITH FULL ATTENTION...PLEASE...ONCE AGAIN....READ WHOLE POST....PLEASE ALL BROTHERS...

cool down for the sake of Allah...maybe i might not be able to make u understand what i mean...i am not against anything neither jehad nor tassawuff nor madaris....may allah help us all and help all causes of deen...!
brothers i am myself from kashmir...i am from srinagar (summer capital of kashmir-India occupied)...i know what happens here...i know those people who gave life here in 2008 and 2009 and 2010 for so called sake of deen...i dont want to discuss any political matters...but brother you know what come here kashmir and see that no one compels us to leave our deen...but still most of young people who are engaged in stone pelting here in kashmir say that we want freedom but they have freedom of deen but not freedom of land ...see brother most of stone pelters in kashmir are those young people which neither have link with madaris nor with tassawuff ...even brother most of them dont have a dress of shariah and most of them are hooligans...see brother ....i m a kashmiri ...and believe me what i am saying ...i know better than you people what is happening here....!

In 2008 i was also involved...i too used to pelt stones over indian army...brother but that time i was neither having beard nor did i pray salat....if i would have died in 2008 agitation sincerely i might have gone to hell....as my death would not be for the sake of deen it was for only my land "KASHMIR"....i dont know what happens in afganistan and other states...but brother i really love those mujahideens who are following shariah...i also make dua for them...i support them brother....!

Brother one more thing...hundreds of youth died kashmir in these three years and you know what brothers most of them used to wear jeans and were clean shaved...how come a person who is not even followin sunnah and basic farz can give his life for the sake of deen...see brother it is not only jehad it is jehad-fee-sabeelillah.....jehad is easy but fee sabeelillah is not easy ....it means for Allah's pleasure....fee sabelillah is attained by qurbani and mujahidah...may it be in the form of tassawuff or in the form of tabligh...that is what i wanted to say....i dont oppose fighting against infidels....see brother ikhlaas (quality by virtue of which one seeks Allah's pleasure) is obligatory for jehad...how can ikhlaas come with jeans and clean shaved faces....brother tassawuff and tabligh is for creating ikhlaas.....saleh-salf were full of ikhlaas so their every fight with infidels was really jehad like Hazrat Makhdoom Sb Rh.A, Syed Hussain Madani Rh.A, Syed Ahmad Shaheed Rh.A, but brother our body is empty of deen how can our hearts be filled with ikhlaas...

Brothers in kashmir whether it is aseebat or jehad....ulemas on kashmir know it better not ulemas of other states...come kashmir and ask our beloved ulemas and mashaikh about situation of kashmir they will tell you whether youth of kashmir are doing jehad or aseebat...brother here are many great ulemas in kashmir like Maulana Rehmatullah Sb DB (Rukn Shariah Deoband and Khaleefa Ajal of Mufti Mahmood ul Hasan Gangohi Rh.A), Mufti Ayuv SB DB (Khaleefa of Peer Zulfikar Sb DB), Maulana Hameedullah Lone Sb DB (Khaleefa of Maulana Maseehullah Khan Sb Rh.A)...brothers it would be very shocking for you to listen that none of these ulemas was with agitation of 2008 and 2010...they didnt call that agitation as jehad

Brother in short see the situation of whole ummat...how much deen is practically with us...listen brother on one side christian missionaries are converting our youth into christianity and on the other side our youth are following west, our sisters are day by day becoming much more naked...see brother this is not time for discussion...i am sorry if i hurt anybody...see brother this is time for unity....i love you all brothers....u are really my brothers as you all are ummatties...may allah bless you all...!

i am once again sorry.....i woudnt write the above post...but i had to....i am sorry!

So fighting the infidels without beard and shalwar kameez means you arent performing Jihad? How silly you can get i wonder! If a person doesnt performs fajr salah would that mean he cant perform rest of the four salahs because the mujahida in fajr is far greater than the rest of the four. Your analogy is absolutely wrong.

In your previous post jihad was difficult now it becomes easy and fee sabillah becomes difficult. You will defend tablighi jamat at all costs!

[sabm90]

Assalamualaikum brother...!
well i wrote my opinion ...rest is your choice...i cant compel anyone to follow my opinion...i dont know anything, i am not a scholar...i just told in the post you quoted about the happenings in kashmir and the opinion of ulemas of our state about it...anyways Almighty bless you all...it is better for us to ask ulemas about this issue...they better know...brother you know what...just one more thing i want to say....u know what here in kashmir mostly salafis were involved in 2008 and 2010 agitation and their ulemas called it jehad but ulemas of hanafi fiqh (deobandi) called it as a punishment of Allah for disobeying Allah Ta-ala...!

Brother if we see seerat (life) of suhabah...you will see that the battle of badr was held after hijrah although infidels of mekkah were consistently harming muslims...why werent suhabah fighting back and why was the 1st battle between muslims and kuffars held so late almost after 15yrs after nubawat...!
See brother Haji Abdul Wahab DB says about it as follows (words may be different but meaning would be same insha allah)

"Suhabah ko ladnay ke ijazat tab milee jab unkay jazbaat tootgaye thay...unke saare nisbate khatam hogaye theee bus abh allah aur uskay rasool ke nisbat rehgaye thee"...in other words their hearts were filled with ikhlaas...!

It is my humble request to you brother as you are from pakistan...go raiwand markaz regularly and with the grace of almighty spent 4 months in the path of Allah...!

see brother there is no such jamaat like tablighi jamaat...the word jamaat is word of division...you say your jamaat and i say my jamaaat ...hence we divide ummat into two jamaats...our elders say this thing..!

we are ummat and we do the work of tabligh as a responsibility of an ummati thats it...it is not any jamaat...u see there is no headquarter or receipt book or office of tabligh as it is not jamaat ...u see brother no banner or website as it is not a jamaat it is just the effort that beloved nabi (peace be upon him) and suhabah (Allah be pleased with them) did...!

Sahaba ko larnay ki ijazat k peeche hikmat dhoondna hmara kaam nae! Sahaba ko larnay ka hukum nae tha is liye nae laray!
Aur Ghazwa e badr mein makki sahab kam thay madni sahaba ziada thay to un per to 13 saal ki mushaqqatain nae guzri to kiya un mein ikhlaas ki kami thi? Ap k qaul k mutabiq to unka iman hi nae bna tha phr?

Yes i agree that tableeghi can be done in any form and associating oneself to tableeghi jamat is not necessary.!

[sabm90]

Sahaba ko larnay ki ijazat k peeche hikmat dhoondna hmara kaam nae! Sahaba ko larnay ka hukum nae tha is liye nae laray!
Aur Ghazwa e badr mein makki sahab kam thay madni sahaba ziada thay to un per to 13 saal ki mushaqqatain nae guzri to kiya un mein ikhlaas ki kami thi? Ap k qaul k mutabiq to unka iman hi nae bna tha phr?

Yes i agree that tableeghi can be done in any form and associating oneself to tableeghi jamat is not necessary.!

Even the hanafis are active in Kashmir alhamdulillah!

[sabm90]

the hanafies active in kashmir dont even know basics of deen...the people who are connected to some mashaikh here in kashmir or those who are involved in effort in form of madaris or even effort of tabligh...all these three alhe-haq are not active here...as i am from kashmir...i know what is happening here brother...see whatever is happening here in kashmir or in any part of world to muslims it is because we left the effort of deen and we indulged ourlselves in sins...brother read muslamanu ke paste kaa wahid ilaaj...which is the last book of fadail aamal...maybe you may get something...!
i dont oppose anyone but brother when to do qitaal and when not to do....ulemas know it better....no ulema of our state has declared that we should qitaal....i posted before also brother...here are very big ulemas like Maulana Rehmatullah Qasmi DB who is khaleefa of Mufti Mahmoodul Hassan Gangohi Rh.A. and Rukn Shariah Darul uloom deoband, Mufti Nazir Qasmi DB who is member of international Fiqh Academy, Mufti Abdur Rashid Muhtaahi DB who is khaleefa of Maulana Maseehullah Khan Sb Rh.A., Maulana Hameedullah Lone SB who is elder khaleefa of Maulana Maseehullah Khan Sb Rh.A, Mufti Ayub Sb DB who is khaleefa of Mufti Mahmoodul Hassan Gangohi Rh.A as well as Peer Zulfikar Sb DB.....ask them brother whether qitaal is required in kashmir or not...i dont know anything ask ulemas brother ....!

Click here to goto site of kashmiri ulemas...and call them...!

talk about usool and not the people.
You've made a bold statement. I've met kashmiri mujahideen and alhamdulillah they are quite learned and practicing. If so and so ulema dont allow that, read the other side o the ulema as well and then decide. And your state ulemas are not the one whose words are the bottom line.

[sabm90]

Read musalmanu ke paste kaa wahid ilaaj brother...and go raiwand markaz regularly and spent 4 months in the path of allah then you may get what i mean...just like unless i dont become an aalim by going to some darul uloom for 8 years i wouldnt be able to know the masaail...similarly you wount get me unless you read that book and go markaz regularly and spent 4 months brother....!
And brother i was just telling you what happened here in 2008 and 2010 was just a consequence of our bad deeds ...i am not totally against those people who are consistantly striving from years..May Allah help them...!

Yes read musalmanu ki pasti ka wahid ilaj. Where maulana ru quotes surah nisa ruku 13. Read what he writes beneath that!

Why are you forcing someone to go to raiwand markaz and 4 months when it is not farz or wajib!

[London786]

bhai naqshband is your shaykh pir asif hussain farooqi db? With regards to the need of the hour....the ummah of the prophet Muhammad sallahualahiwasalam is at such a level including myself that we should regard both amaal e nabuwat and amaal e wilayat as our needs and whoever does whatever effort, however small or big it maybe we should appreciate it and consider it our own. With regards to maulana ilyas rh then he was a big time sufi and would do muraqabah at the grave of shaykh nur rh and what can be said of shaykh ul hadeeth saab. He was a sufi first and foremost and everything else comes later and he made tasawuff and spreading zikr the maqsad of his life and was involved in tasawuff like how maulana ilyas was totally immersed in tabligh (though maulana ilyas rh was obviously a sufi as well). With regards to maulana saad saab db then it is better to not talk negatively about him even by way of hinting but he obviously has his own ijtihaad and it should be seen as a matter of a difference of opinion based on rahmah. With regards to maulana saad saab db being the amir of tabligh then as far as I know it is incorrect as he is not the amir (someone please correct me if im wrong)

[xs11ax]

With regards to maulana saad saab db being the amir of tabligh then as far as I know it is incorrect as he is not the amir (someone please correct me if im wrong)

brother. hope you and the family are well.

as far as i know tabligh jamaat no longer has an ameer since hazrat jee moulana inamul hassan (ra) passed away. they now operate on a shura system.

[AbdAllah313]

Assalamu alaykum

Friends from TJ.

Kindly be aware that the Sunnifourm is owned and maintained by brothers in tasawwuf and partially jihadist. And you must be aware that it requires sacrifices of money, time and physical efforts to maintain a site. TJs are just GUESTS here. If TJ saathhees really want to start a forum, as Moulana AbuHajira Damath barkatuhum has said they should take permission from markaz, arrange for funds, put efforst and spend time to maintain a forum. Which TJ cannot afford to do (with my previous experience it is really impossible for TJ to maintain a forum). So you don't have the right to disagree with our respected brothers who are maintaining this site.

I recall an incident a few years back on SF, I said "this is our forum" ( I meant, madhabist, deobandee forum), I got a strong warning from an elder member here; he meant "this is not a your (TJ) site".

So, let us keep a low profile here on SF.

Insha Allah, in a phase manner I shall delete all my posts, but I don't know how to delete my threads here. Please don't think I am doing a knee jerk reaction. Wallah I am serious about it and thinking about it for a long time.

I humbly request other saathhees to follow me. By arguments with our brothers we are not bridging the gap but rather we are widening the gap, which is not good for TJ and Islam.

Wassalaam!!! Fee Amaanallah.

Agreed