Major differences in four madhab's ??

[junfrared]

[QUOTE=simpletruthislam;709957]if all are right than why can i not select one which i like?[QUOTE]


No. QURAN prohibits explicitly. Allah Ta'ala says:

Have you (O Muhammad ) seen him who has taken as his ilh (god) his own desire? 25/43

And who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, without guidance fromAllah? Verily!Allah guides not the people who are Zlimn 28/50

Have you seen him who takes his own lust (vain desires) as his ilh (god), andAllah knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart, and put a cover on his sight. Who then will guide him afterAllah? Will you not then remember? 45/23

And BTW Mazahb is the issue who believes in hadith.

what about the rules of fiqh that goes against quran should i follow them too?

How can a laymen figure this out. What is the meaning of these statements:


It is not (necessary) for all the believers to go forth.‘; So, why should it be that a group from every section of them does not go forth, so that they may acquire perfect understanding of the Faith, and so that they may warn their people when they return to them, so that they may take due care (of the rules of Shari_ah ). ( 9. At tuba 123 verse)

This means not everybody have perfect knowledge Quran wa Hadith. Only dedicated Authorities have perfect understanding.


Also He says:

And do not follow a thing about which you have no knowledge. (17. Al-Isra, 36 verse)

Therefore if your are a layman then don't interfere in the work of Scholars. or If you like to become a scholar then dedicate life.

Remember that Quran is also collected and written by HUMANS. Hadith to came to us as same as Quran came. And if Hadith have apparent contradiction then Quran also have apparent contradiction. So merely these grounds are not valid to reject the Hadiths.

Just research with open heart the authenticity of Hadith, this thing is naturally evident. Where are you going brother?

This also the attribute of His book:

By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-Fsiqn (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah). 2/26

So don't be rebellious, disobedient to Allah, inshall Allah will give you the way. See also my signature

[simpletruthislam]

[QUOTE=junfrared;710138][QUOTE=simpletruthislam;709957]if all are right than why can i not select one which i like?

No. QURAN prohibits explicitly. Allah Ta'ala says:

Have you (O Muhammad ) seen him who has taken as his ilh (god) his own desire? 25/43

And who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, without guidance fromAllah? Verily!Allah guides not the people who are Zlimn 28/50

Have you seen him who takes his own lust (vain desires) as his ilh (god), andAllah knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart, and put a cover on his sight. Who then will guide him afterAllah? Will you not then remember? 45/23

And BTW Mazahb is the issue who believes in hadith.



How can a laymen figure this out. What is the meaning of these statements:


It is not (necessary) for all the believers to go forth.‘; So, why should it be that a group from every section of them does not go forth, so that they may acquire perfect understanding of the Faith, and so that they may warn their people when they return to them, so that they may take due care (of the rules of Shari_ah ). ( 9. At tuba 123 verse)

This means not everybody have perfect knowledge Quran wa Hadith. Only dedicated Authorities have perfect understanding.


Also He says:

And do not follow a thing about which you have no knowledge. (17. Al-Isra, 36 verse)

Therefore if your are a layman then don't interfere in the work of Scholars. or If you like to become a scholar then dedicate life.

Remember that Quran is also collected and written by HUMANS. Hadith to came to us as same as Quran came. And if Hadith have apparent contradiction then Quran also have apparent contradiction. So merely these grounds are not valid to reject the Hadiths.

Just research with open heart the authenticity of Hadith, this thing is naturally evident. Where are you going brother?

This also the attribute of His book:

By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-Fsiqn (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah). 2/26

So don't be rebellious, disobedient to Allah, inshall Allah will give you the way. See also my signature

brother quran says take their desires as ilah i will not take my desire i would learn fiqh know which is best suited according to quran and i will follow it so is that wrong? because quran is the furqaan the criteria to judge between right and wrong so what is against quran that is against allah's will and i cant follow that

as fiqh imams them selves said that any fatawa of theirs is agaisnt quran throw it on the wall

i believe in hadith quran is ahsnul hadith sura 39

how did u know that i am a layman?? do u know that it is a sin to just think anything for anybody without proof

BROTHER U QUOTED THE VERSE NO. WRONG IT IS 122 NOT 123

AND U TOTALLY MISS INTERPRETE IT if u read the verse above and below u will know that it is for battle time not general verse NOW TELL ME WHO IS LAYMAN

you can never understand quran verses if u take them out of context brother u need to read verses above and below

http://quran.com/9/120-129

yes dont follow things which u have no knowledge so i dont know how bukhari did know 10000 people whom most were dead born 10 generations before him collected and remebeterd 600000 hadiths and than wrote only approx 6000 hadiths as sahih and all this he done in span of 16 yrs and at the age of like 23 onwards so how did he do it is it a miracle or just humbug story

u proved that u r a layman quoting verses out of context and calling other as a layman if u ever read quran with a littel attentions u know that it doesnt require any more commentory

QURAN WRITTENT AT TIME OF SHAHABIS HADITHS WRITTEN AFTER 250 YEARS SO I WOULD BELIVE QURAN

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE APPARENT CONTRADICITON IN QURAN PLEASE LET ME KNOW ONE

ALLAH CHALLANGES TO SHOW A SINGLE COTRADICITON IN QURAN IF IT WAS WRITTEN BY HUMANS IT HAD MANY

AGAIN READ VERSES 2:20 TO 30 to know what allah is talking about dont quote a single verse HE IS TALKING ABOUT THOSE WHO THINK QURAN IS NOT ENOUGH OR ASKS MORE TO UNDERSTAND QURAN LIKE U NEED MORE THAN QURAN

http://quran.com/2/20-30

these ayats challenge u to make something like quran and u will never be sucessfull so people try to make hadiths simillar authority like quran but they failed to remove contradcitions

so dont go against quran ,,, read quran ur self,, dont blind follow scholars,,, allah guides his sincere seekers

[niyazi22]

Asalamu Aleykum.
I think junfrared meant that the Quran was compiled by men, not made by men. Uthman (ra) collected all the verses and put it into one mushaf, because many non Arabs changed the words. And all the four madhabs agree on one another. It is just what you prefer and what you think is best. Indeed these great imams were a great example and made it easy for people that can't dedicate there whole live to studying fiqh(like they did), but still need to know how to practice Islam properly. Please also improve your English, it is very hard reading what you've wrote. And Allah knows best.

[ahamed_sharif]

dear simple false kufr

You quoted in post no. 3 differences among the 4 madhabs. I would appreciate if you would have quoted your view on fifth column.
1. Is it all Y or all N.
2. Do you have proofs for that.
3. Is that documented.
4. Is that universally accepted.
5. Do you have fully documented books of masail of all branches of life from your quran alone.

We are speaking of religion not child's play.

Or is it that you pick a masalah and decide according your desire and whims and attribute it to quran ayah interpreting your own way.

[simpletruthislam]

Asalamu Aleykum.
I think junfrared meant that the Quran was compiled by men, not made by men. Uthman (ra) collected all the verses and put it into one mushaf, because many non Arabs changed the words. And all the four madhabs agree on one another. It is just what you prefer and what you think is best. Indeed these great imams were a great example and made it easy for people that can't dedicate there whole live to studying fiqh(like they did), but still need to know how to practice Islam properly. Please also improve your English, it is very hard reading what you've wrote. And Allah knows best.

if non arabs changed words than u should know that the hadith writer imams were not arabs all were persians except malik and four madhahbs dont agree with each other if u ever read fiqh books u will know that they say that so and so rule of so madhab is wrong they blame each other

people can decide themselves if they ever read quran with understanding as allah says in quran

[simpletruthislam]

dear simple false kufr

You quoted in post no. 3 differences among the 4 madhabs. I would appreciate if you would have quoted your view on fifth column.
1. Is it all Y or all N.
2. Do you have proofs for that.
3. Is that documented.
4. Is that universally accepted.
5. Do you have fully documented books of masail of all branches of life from your quran alone.

We are speaking of religion not child's play.

Or is it that you pick a masalah and decide according your desire and whims and attribute it to quran ayah interpreting your own way.

salam brother SHARIF (?)

1. i would not follow my opinions i would follow quran

2. they are from fiqh books if u have them atleast read them

3. yes they are documented in madhab fiqh books of each imam

4. not a single madhab is universally accepted can u get me one?

5. so u mean quran is not complete?? what are massails? read quran and judge according to quran why judge according to 4 men each has different answer?

the word RELIGION is never used for ISLAM in QURAN

Islam is DEEN - path to follow not religon

Islam is challenge to all RELIGIONS

and RELIGIONS are child's play they teach things that even child knows are worng

i decide a maslah according to quran nothing else is needed because even prophet pbuh was commanded to take allah as a judge and judge according to quran that who are we to change the laws of allah? are ur fiqh imams better than prophet?? if prophet judges by quran than why should i judge by imams?


again quran says dont say those people who says to salam as kafirs

so salamun alaykum

now if u call me a kafir than u r kafir ur self cause u rejected quran

[ahamed_sharif]

Hi

Those who do not judge matters according to what Allah has revealed are kaafirs. (Quran 5:44)

1. i would not follow my opinions i would follow quran

That's why I asked to add the fifth column in your earlier post and write your opinion there.

2. they are from fiqh books if u have them atleast read them

You should prefix a quran ayah in the sixth column

3. yes they are documented in madhab fiqh books of each imam

I was asking for a documented book from where you have got the mas'alah.

4. not a single madhab is universally accepted can u get me one?

I was asking for universally accepted book of masail of munkireen hadeeth (lanatullahi alayha)

5. so u mean quran is not complete?? what are massails? read quran and judge according to quran why judge according to 4 men each has different answer?

You have not even started to compile the masail required in our daily life. The day you start you will appreciate the efforts of 4 men. So start compiling, there are about 1.5 million masail compiled by Imam abu haneefa.

the word RELIGION is never used for ISLAM in QURAN

Islam is DEEN - path to follow not religon

Yours is a religion ours is deen.

i decide a maslah according to quran nothing else is needed because even prophet pbuh was commanded to take allah as a judge and judge according to quran that who are we to change the laws of allah? are ur fiqh imams better than prophet?? if prophet judges by quran than why should i judge by imams?

You haven't started compiling the masail. I understand you read the books of fiqh of the four imams. Now take each masail from the fiqh book and prefix them with a quran ayah. You can quote a documented book of the rejecters of hadeeth for this.

I would ask you to start with the following masalah.

In our deen donkey is haraam and buffalo is halaal. What does your religion say.

again quran says dont say those people who says to salam as kafirs

so salamun alaykum

now if u call me a kafir than u r kafir ur self cause u rejected quran

We have well recorded history where mischief mongers (munaafiqs) who played with quran and sunnah were finished by the then rulers.

[simpletruthislam]

so u want maslah


[The Quran 2:173] He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the Meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[The Quran 5:3] Prohibited for you are animals that die of themselves, blood, the MEAT of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. (Animals that die of themselves include those) strangled, struck with an object, fallen from a height, gored, attacked by a wild animal - unless you save your animal before it dies - and animals sacrificed on altars. Also prohibited is dividing the Meat through a game of chance; this is an abomination. Today, the disbelievers have given up concerning (the eradication of) your religion; do not fear them and fear Me instead. Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Submission as the religion for you. If one is forced by famine (to eat prohibited food), without being deliberately sinful, then GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.

[The Quran 5:5] Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture (Jews & Christians) is lawful (halal) for you......

[The Quran 2:219] They ask you about intoxicants and gambling: say, 'In them there is a gross sin, and some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs their benefit.

[The Quran 5:90] O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed.

[The Quran 6:118-119] You shall eat from that upon which God's name has been pronounced, if you truly believe in His revelation.

Why should you NOT eat from that upon which God's name has been mentioned ? He has detailed for you what is prohibited for you, unless you are forced. Indeed, many people mislead others with their personal opinions, without knowledge. Your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.






[The Quran 6:145] Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except: (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[The Quran 16:14] And He committed the sea to serve you; you eat from it tender meat, and extract jewelry which you wear. And you see the ships roaming it for your commercial benefits, as you seek His bounties, that you may be appreciative.

[16:114] Therefore, you shall eat from God's provisions everything that is lawful and good, and be appreciative of god's blessings, if you do worship Him alone.

[The Quran 16:115] He only prohibits for you dead animals, blood, the meat of pigs, and food which is dedicated to other than GOD. If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[The Quran 66:1] O you prophet, why do you prohibit what GOD has made lawful for you, just to please your wives? GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.




SO NOW I CAN SAY FROM QURAN THAT DONKEY IS HALAL

[ahamed_sharif]

Hi,

So rhinio, elephant, zebra, monkeys, zirrafe, a big list all are halal.

And when pork when offered on a christian or jews dining table is halal.

So when are you offering a nice donkey meat kabab.

You have answered one from many lines I have posted here.

[ahamed_sharif]

Hi,
Those who do not judge matters according to what Allah has revealed are kaafirs. (Quran 5:44)

Also which reference book of your religion did you read to declare donkey halal.
Remember you picked the four different rulings of 4 madhabs from the fiqh books. What is the equivalent of fiqh books in your religion.