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    Quote Originally Posted by ahamed_sharif View Post
    Hi,

    So rhinio, elephant, zebra, monkeys, zirrafe, a big list all are halal.

    And when pork when offered on a christian or jews dining table is halal.

    So when are you offering a nice donkey meat kabab.

    You have answered one from many lines I have posted here.
    lol did u read all verses ? it says pork is haram so it has nothing to do with jew or chritians and jews dont eat pork no only some chritians do not all

    my answer contained only quran verses if u want to reject them be my guest allah will decide about what u do

    u dont eat donkey so i would not offer you that lol

    u asked only one question so i answered that from quran did u ever read quran with understanding.. or going to ask such questions and give round and round arguments to support that u r hadith is more correct than quran


    [The Quran 6:145] Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except: (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.


    THIS AYAT CLEARLY SAYS PROPHET SAID THAT HE DID NOT FIND ANYTHING HARAM EXCEPT THESE 4 THINGS IN REVELATIONS....

    so r u saying he added them later lol u r going against quran again


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahamed_sharif View Post
    Hi,
    Those who do not judge matters according to what Allah has revealed are kaafirs. (Quran 5:44)

    Also which reference book of your religion did you read to declare donkey halal.
    Remember you picked the four different rulings of 4 madhabs from the fiqh books. What is the equivalent of fiqh books in your religion.
    ARE FIQH BOOKS EQUAL TO QURAN ? how may times are you going to ask the same stupid question i said i follow QURAN so is it so difficult for you to understand?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahamed_sharif View Post
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    In our deen donkey is haraam and buffalo is halaal. What does your religion say.
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    Brother ahamed_sharif

    A little correction. As i know not all donkeys r Haram in our deen (ISLAM).

    It is permissible to eat the meat of onagers (“wild donkeys”) and it is haraam to eat the meat of domesticated donkeys. The first is permitted because of the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (5492) and Muslim (1196) from Abu Qataadah (may Allaah be pleased with him) who hunted an onager and brought a piece of it to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he ate some of it, and he said to his companions: “It is halaal, eat it.”

    Plz make a discussion with a knowledgeable person.

    ...And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)..(59:7)

    ...if I forbid you to do something, then keep away from it. And if I order you to do something, then do of it as much as you can.(Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 92, Number 391)


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    Hi

    Those who do not judge matters according to what Allah has revealed are kaafirs. (Quran 5:44)


    lol did u read all verses ? it says pork is haram so it has nothing to do with jew or chritians and jews dont eat pork no only some chritians do not all
    Present a quranic verse which says to eat from a selected christian dining table.

    my answer contained only quran verses if u want to reject them be my guest allah will decide about what u do
    I have all the right to reject your interpretation of quran.

    u dont eat donkey so i would not offer you that lol
    I asked you to offer and I didn't offer to eat that. By the way, what changed your mind is getting clear, the donkey meat.

    u asked only one question so i answered that from quran did u ever read quran with understanding.. or going to ask such questions and give round and round arguments to support that u r hadith is more correct than quran
    Selectively you picked one masalah alone. I have asked more question in that post. I am sure you don't have reply to that and carefully avoided them.

    go to this post

    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post711675

    THIS AYAT CLEARLY SAYS PROPHET SAID THAT HE DID NOT FIND ANYTHING HARAM EXCEPT THESE 4 THINGS IN REVELATIONS....
    We muslims clearly know what Prohet said and what Allah swt has made haram for us. May not be you.

    So you according to your interpretation of quran, cat, mouse, horses, water snakes, crocodiles everything is halal. So compile a book (you don't have a reference book yet).

    Let me quote an example. In a house if there are 10 members, each interprets the quran his own way and makes a thing haram and other nine halal, Similarly there are 10 things and 10 different combinations. So according to your theory you have posted, all of them are in hell.

    Please reply to all the queries in the post.
    میرے مالک یہ احمد کی سن لے دعا
    ہو مقدر میں ہر سال دید حرم
    یا جبال الحرم یا جبال الحرم


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    Assalamu alaykum

    Quote Originally Posted by rqsnnt View Post

    Brother ahamed_sharif

    A little correction. As i know not all donkeys r Haram in our deen (ISLAM).

    It is permissible to eat the meat of onagers (“wild donkeys”) and it is haraam to eat the meat of domesticated donkeys. The first is permitted because of the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (5492) and Muslim (1196) from Abu Qataadah (may Allaah be pleased with him) who hunted an onager and brought a piece of it to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he ate some of it, and he said to his companions: “It is halaal, eat it.”

    Plz make a discussion with a knowledgeable person.

    I recall a munazerah between Moulana Ameen safdar okarvi RA and gair muqallideen. the subject was on taqleed. When Moulana okarvi RA cornered the GM munazir, he declared donkey is halal. The crowd from GM fell on him and said, you were called to clear the minds about taqleed and you are making us donkey eaters.

    Brother rqsnnt, if one progress from "rejectors of fiqh" to "rejectors of hadeeth", the domestic donkey will also be halal. So I make dua for "status quo".
    میرے مالک یہ احمد کی سن لے دعا
    ہو مقدر میں ہر سال دید حرم
    یا جبال الحرم یا جبال الحرم


    دین کے ہر کام کرنے والے کے رفیق بنو فریق نہیں


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahamed_sharif View Post
    Assalamu alaykum



    I recall a munazerah between Moulana Ameen safdar okarvi RA and gair muqallideen. the subject was on taqleed. When Moulana okarvi RA cornered the GM munazir, he declared donkey is halal. The crowd from GM fell on him and said, you were called to clear the minds about taqleed and you are making us donkey eaters.



    What is the ROLE of Moulana Ameen safdar okarvi RA and GM here? It seems GM, Lamadahabi, salafi becomes nightmare in ur life!. Plz get help form doctor.


    Quote Originally Posted by ahamed_sharif View Post
    Brother rqsnnt, if one progress from "rejectors of fiqh" to "rejectors of hadeeth", the domestic donkey will also be halal. So I make dua for "status quo".
    Can u brother make ur statement more clear. Who rejects hadith here?

    ...And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)..(59:7)

    ...if I forbid you to do something, then keep away from it. And if I order you to do something, then do of it as much as you can.(Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 92, Number 391)


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    Quote Originally Posted by rqsnnt View Post



    What is the ROLE of Moulana Ameen safdar okarvi RA and GM here? It seems GM, Lamadahabi, salafi becomes nightmare in ur life!. Plz get help form doctor.



    Can u brother make ur statement more clear. Who rejects hadith here?

    Assalamu alaykum

    What is the ROLE of Moulana Ameen safdar okarvi RA and GM here? It seems GM, Lamadahabi, salafi becomes nightmare in ur life!. Plz get help form doctor
    Who entered the discussion between a munkireen-e-hadeeth and a muqallid. GM's are a never nightmare for me, Alhamdulillah, even if I am woken from sleep and asked to answer the GMs I can reply to them. Alhamdulillah.

    Secondly the first step towards munkir-e-hadeeth is munkire fiqh.
    میرے مالک یہ احمد کی سن لے دعا
    ہو مقدر میں ہر سال دید حرم
    یا جبال الحرم یا جبال الحرم


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahamed_sharif View Post
    Assalamu alaykum



    Who entered the discussion between a munkireen-e-hadeeth and a muqallid. GM's are a never nightmare for me, Alhamdulillah, even if I am woken from sleep and asked to answer the GMs I can reply to them. Alhamdulillah.

    Masha-Allah, u can reply. BTW can u brother post a Hadith that saying No Salat while Imam is giving khutbah in Friday? or Perform 2 rakat salat before sitting while Imam is giving khutbah in Friday? Don't forget to give reference.


    Quote Originally Posted by ahamed_sharif View Post
    Secondly the first step towards munkir-e-hadeeth is munkire fiqh.
    Still it's not clear to me.
    Last edited by rqsnnt; 07-01-2012 at 07:00 AM.
    ...And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)..(59:7)

    ...if I forbid you to do something, then keep away from it. And if I order you to do something, then do of it as much as you can.(Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 92, Number 391)


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    Assalamu alaykum

    We take the rulings from Imam-e-azam abu haneefa and he has the reference.

    Since there were no muslims during that time, may be you would have been born during the time of Sayyiduna Umar, Uthman, Aliyy, ibn Abbaas and others (Radhiallaahu Anhum) to question there practice of not praying nafl during friday khutbah.

    In my earlier posts also I have challenged you to bring a well documented book with the masalahs of about 1.5 million masail universally accepted by the fifth group. suffixed by a quran ayah or a saheeh hadeeth. You have asked one I have asked 1.5 million.
    Last edited by ahamed_sharif; 07-01-2012 at 11:29 AM.
    میرے مالک یہ احمد کی سن لے دعا
    ہو مقدر میں ہر سال دید حرم
    یا جبال الحرم یا جبال الحرم


    دین کے ہر کام کرنے والے کے رفیق بنو فریق نہیں


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahamed_sharif View Post
    Assalamu alaykum

    We take the rulings from Imam-e-azam abu haneefa and he has the reference.

    In my earlier posts also I have challenged you to bring a well documented book with the masalahs of about 1.5 million masail universally accepted by the fifth group. suffixed by a quran ayah or a saheeh hadeeth. You have asked one I have asked 1.5 million.

    Brother ahamed_sharif;

    As my observation GM r not used to understand complex fiqh masala . That why they depend on 6-10 thousand (might be) hadiths for their reference. When they come across a masala then they used to say which hadith was used as a base of that masala.



    Brother i asked u a single reference, but u asked by 1.5 million masail. Brother don't do injustice for ur name & fame, Plz answer my following question. It's not u who claimed as follow

    GM's are a never nightmare for me, Alhamdulillah, even if I am woken from sleep and asked to answer the GMs I can reply to them. Alhamdulillah
    My question was Post a Hadith that sayingNo Salat while Imam is giving khutbah in Friday? or Perform 2 rakat salat before sitting while Imam is giving khutbah in Friday?

    ...And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)..(59:7)

    ...if I forbid you to do something, then keep away from it. And if I order you to do something, then do of it as much as you can.(Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 92, Number 391)


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