was that article written in south africa.
Imagine if Wadud got some sodium pentothal in her martini and gave an honest interview....
DrM : So Dr.Wadud, whats your story ?
AW : Well it started when I joined the NOI and then hooked up with the Black Panthers….
DrM : You don’t look old enough to have been a member of that organization…
AW : Why thank you!
DrM : No, no, it wasn’t a compliment…even though you do look like a charter member of the grey panther party.
AW : Oh that’s how it is huh? You think you’re a straight up G do you? Well guess what, you’re not going to pull a fast one on me like you did on Asra, Ahmed and Tarek. Bring it on…..
DrM : Testy huh? Don’t worry we’ll do things a little differently this time...interactive if you will. Lets start off with a softball question…what’s the scariest movie you’ve ever seen?
AW : That’s easy. Terminator.
DrM : Terminator? The one with Arnold? That film wasn’t really scary..
AW : Are you kidding me? A white man who wouldn’t die….scared the hell out of me. I had nightmares for weeks…I threw knives at the screen!
DrM : ……………..
AW : What? I
DrM : Nothing…uh so what exactly was this whole “female led jummah.”
AW : Well, as you know, the progressive meetups were an utter failure. Those who did show up didn’t want to pay Naseeb.com fees and thought they could hook up for free using the meetups. We also steal terms from the civil rights movement to lend us credibility.
DrM : I know, I went to one of the meetups. Getting back to my earlier question, is it true you were fired from a Malaysian university for trying to spread fitna..
AW : Oh no, I’m on temporary administrative leave you see…
DrM : Temporary administrative leave as in “you’re fired, don’t ever come back and take your RAND corporation pro-regressive garbage with you”?
AW : That’s it. I’m leaving. I‘m not going to put up with this.
DrM : uh okay….temporary or permanent?
AW : You’ll never have the pleasure of interviewing me again!
DrM : What a loss. See ya.
AW : ………………
DrM : What?
AW : Aren’t you going to try and stop me?
DrM : I thought you were leaving….
AW : Ok fine, I accept your apology…you talked me back into it…
DrM : But I didn’t…
AW : Get on with it fool.
DrM : Your female led jummah sham was based on what?
AW : It wasn’t a sham at all. It was based on the Hadith of Umm Warraqa.
DrM : But it’s a weak Hadith, and even then it only applies to woman leading other woman in prayer at home.
AW : Uh.. you’re twisting the Arabic of it because…
DrM : How am I twisting it? Do you speak Arabic?
AW : Not a word……..
DrM : Exactly…but first, a commercial break..
AW : What?! What do you mean “commercial break”?
DrM : We got some bills to pay here.
AW : What bills? You’re not broadcasting!
DrM : Well I got bills to pay. I could use a break after listening to that convoluted gibberish of yours.
AW : This is ridiculous.
DrM : Friends, are you sick of pro-regressive lies and deception? Are you fed up with freaks, pseudo-intellectuals, egotistical green card seeking third world communists and neocon gutter trash pretending to be Muslims? Go hit up the PMNUA debate blog for the lowdown. All callers west of the Himalayas dial 1-800-BAK-LAVA. All callers east of Himalayas dial 1-800-BIR-YANI. All crank callers dial 1-800-TEE-FATT. Only rotary calls tonight. If you’re calling from a touch tone phone you’re S.O.L.
AW : What the hell kind of commercial is that?!
DrM : The best kind. Ever heard of nepotism? Ok so where were we?
AW : You were asking me about my glorious career in the hallowed halls of academia.
DrM : No, I was asking if you were proficient in Arabic.
AW : What does that have to do with anything?
DrM : Well you claim to be an authority on Islam and said that I was misinterpreting the Umm Warraqa Hadith. You couldn’t make such statements if you were trained in classical Arabic.
AW : I don’t know a word of it. Home can interpreted as....well anyplace can be "home" you know...
DrM : Uh huh…I thought so…..but hold! What about the authentic hadith explicitly stating that the best rows for men are in the front and the best rows for woman are in the back?
AW : Never heard of it.
DrM : What do you mean you never heard of it? Its Sahih Muslim. Hang on a sec..,, since when did you proggies started following Hadith anyway?
AW : We only use the ones that can be interpreted for our purposes.
DrM : So you guys just ad lib it then….
AW : We don’t ad lib anything. Look…!
DrM : Go on….
AW : Its all Nomani’s fault. She pressured me into this!
DrM : And where did she get the idea for it?
AW : It was from that idiot Knight’s book.
DrM : You mean the dude who goes to ISNA playing pranks on people ?
AW : Exactly, I was just…
DrM : And now a word from our sponsor….
AW : Damnation!
DrM : Friends, have you ever been targeted by hackers from a meat market website? Don’t know what to do about it? Well look further as the Swordswoman fulfills her naseeb and slices and dices her to the facts. You‘d have to be a jackass not to look into this. Are you a jackass?
AW : Why the hell are you asking me?!
DrM : Well there’s no nobody else here…
AW : I hate you so much…
DrM : Ofcourse you do. We got somebody on the line….go ahead caller.
Caller : May you roast in hell Maxtor! How dare you give my phone number out?!
DrM : Who is this?
Caller : You know exactly who this is! Its Tarek Fatah dammit!.
DrM : Hey! How you doing buddy?
Caller : How am I doing?!? Those jerks who read your crappy blog crank called my cell and killed my anytime minutes.
DrM : Let me make it up to you T-Fat, there’s a bake sale in your current vicinity I think.
Caller : Oh, aren’t you funny? “HaHaHa” you fu…..!
DrM : Alright I’m putting him on hold, enjoy the elevator music tubby. So Dr.Wadud, you saying something about being pressured into leading the fake jummah?
AW : Don’t call it fake!
DrM : My bad, plenty of jummahs are held at art galleries I’m sure. Is it true you were praying towards the west?
AW : Depends what your definition of “west” is. Asra pressured me into it. She and that Egyptian with the footprint on his face thought it would be scandalous and photogenic to have me do it. Nobody bought my book so why not? I could use the free publicity.
Caller : EYAAAAA!
DrM : What the…? What was that?
Caller : Its me! I fought my way off hold!
DrM : What do you mean you “fought your way off hold”?
AW : Will you get rid of that ‘tard....this is my interview!
Caller : You better tell me where that bake sale is…..
DrM : oops, looks like we lost Tarek…I’m going to keep the phone off the hook so he doesn’t star69 me.
AW : I got more respect on the O’Reilly factor then this.
DrM : Naturally, FOX and the haters just love proggies.
AW : Oh you’re just jealous that nobody invites you to go on reich wing media networks to misrepresent Islam and Muslims.
DrM : Yep, I’m burning up with envy. I always wanted to be the center of attention on a Murdoch station.
AW : HaHa.
DrM : ..and now for the traffic report. Here’s Captain Paindu in the DrM copter..
AW : I got a feeling I’ve been brought here to be ridiculed.
DrM : Oh perish the thought. Go on Cap….
C. Paindu : We got an accident on the 110 freeway DrM. Reports indicate a pile up there after a fat man started flagging down cars asking the drivers for the directions to a bake sale. Right now he’s crying on the side of the road looking for a hotdog stand. Cops are on their way ready to pull a Rodney King …otherwise it looks like a smooth ride all around.
AW : That’s it. You’re giving me control of this blog right now.
DrM : Excuse me? I don’t think so….
AW : Get this : Either you give control of this blog, along with the user name and password or you racist.
DrM : Well that’s just not going to happen.
AW : Well can I atleast plug my upcoming book?
DrM : No you may not.
AW : Last chance Maxtor…either you do what I say or I’ll drop the N-bomb I hit that congregation in Toronto with.
DrM : Race baiting huh? You realize that this sort of irresponsible behavior lessens the impact and trivializes real cases of racism do you not?
AW : Hey, it works like a charm anytime I throw it around.
DrM : And on that note, you’re outta here.
AW : I still think you’re a racist(unless you hand over control of this blog). I bet you hate chitlins too.
DrM : Don’t you mean s***lins?
AW : Whatever, I’m leaving. I got interviews with TIME, Newsweek…
DrM : …and MAD magazine and the Weekly World News. But don’t worry, we’ll have you back on when you perform Umrah around the White house and Tawaf near Capital Hill.
AW : Hey! That’s not a bad idea….how about a fake Hajj too?
DrM : Only if it comes with a bull stampede like they do in Barcelona. Well that was nostril fillingly nauseating and the stench of your bull stool is enough to make a hemophiliac run amok on a cactus farm. Do visit us again Dr.Wadud.
AW : Really?
DrM : No. You can "lead" yourself out.
If Muslims or serious non-muslims ask for an academic refutation then it is the duty of the scholars to provide it.
Refuting Mardood's views is very simple and you can find it on the net everywhere. As a matter of fact, the link on my blog goes to the majlis book that refutes her in detail. The blog post is only the intro.
SPs answer to women led prayer.
Amina Wadud, Professor of Islamic Studies at Virginia Commonwealth University and author of Qur'an and Woman: Rereading the Sacred Text from a Woman's Perspective, was speaking as part of a series sponsored by York University and the Noor Cultural Centre that has brought a number of academics to speak on the current state of Islam and the Muslim world.
Wadud's reputation preceded her, resulting in standing room only in Toronto's most progressive mosque, the only place in Canada where men and women pray side-by-side in separate enclosures
Midway through her speech titled "The Qur’an, Women and Interpretive Possibilities," Wadud waded into the minefield by addressing some difficult passages of the Qur’an. Breaking the ultimate taboo in the Muslim narrative, she stated that despite the fact the Qur’an explicitly asks for cutting off the hands of thieves, she did not agree with the Qur’an. She said she understood that this was a very difficult subject to talk about, but she would be dishonest to herself if she did not express her views.
She maintained that as a Muslim with Allah close to her heart, in all honesty she could not continue with the hypocrisy of lying about how she felt about some verses of the Qur’an.
The basis of her talk was "How to be God's agent (khalifa) on Earth; to be a moral agent of the Creator." In this context, she presented four ways of looking at Qu'ranic verses which Muslims find difficulty dealing with. She identified the four methods as: (1) The literal readings of the text, (2) The legalistic arguments that constrain how verses are applied, (3) Reinterpretation from alternative perspectives, and (4) Saying "No to the Qur'an" when one disagrees with it.
Pursuing the last point, she declared that she could not intellectually or spiritually accept some things in the Qur'an, for example some of the hudud punishments like the cutting of hands or the permission to beat one's wife. She made it clear that she was denying neither the religion nor the revelation. "It is the Qur'an," she said, "that gives me the means to say no to the Qur'an."
However, many in the audience were completely unprepared for her honesty.
She had barely finished her talk when a long line of people lined up at the microphone to ask questions. One woman, who identified herself as a professor of Arabic Language at a Toronto University, took the mike and started lambasting Wadud, suggesting that she had come to her conclusion because she did not understand Arabic and that she had misread the Qur'an, saying, "You know only one verse of the Qur’an." Instead of a question, Wadud was subjected to a rant that was largely incomprehensible. The professor continued, accusing Wadud of supporting illicit sex, when Wadud had made no such reference.
"That is the most idiotic nonsense I have ever heard," Wadud replied.
When Amina Wadud referred to the 9/11 tragedy and the fact that some Muslims deemed it Islamic to crash planes into buildings and kill innocent people, a section of the crowd interrupted her. "What about Israel killing Palestinians," they yelled. One middle-aged heckler said, "She is a CIA agent." Other men and women lined up at the mike to accuse her of all sorts of things.
Another man, angered by Wadud's 9/11 remark, came to the mike and lectured Her. "Let me remind you that no Muslim was involved in the 9/11 attack." Wadud did not dignify his remark with a response.
One young man, with his oversized shirt hanging out, mimicking a rapper, took the mike out of its stand, twirled around, and started addressing the audience, with his back towards Wadud, accusing her of not knowing the Qur'an.
Wadud responded to this outrageous display of rudeness by intervening and saying, "This young man is uncomfortable with what I have said and so instead of asking a question, he wishes to give a speech... why don't you come up on the stage and I will go and sit in the crowd." Then she stepped down from the podium and asked the young man to take her place, which he did. Holding the mike in his hand, he harangued her and said she did not know enough about Islam.
One questioner apologized to Wadud for the rudeness of some members of the audience, suggesting very few Muslim men had ever seen or heard an African American woman in charge and in command. She responded that as a black woman, she knew what it is to have one's views rejected, she thundered to an applause that started with a few hesitant claps and then rolled across the hall.
Every time she used "******" to describe herself, most of the lighter skinned members of the audience became visibly disturbed, squirming in their chairs, perhaps uncomfortable at how she was destroying their middle class comfort zone.
When an Indian man told Wadud that he understood racism, she replied, "No you don't understand. You are not Black; you don't know what it is to be Black."
Addressing Wadud, a woman with peroxide blonde hair and hip hugging jeans said, "Even though I am not a practicing Muslim, I believe you do not know proper Islam."
"Your response is not new to me," Wadud replied. "When I wear a hijab, I don't look African and my words are measured with politeness; however, when my hijab is not covering my hair, I become Black and my words lose all value."
The straw that broke the camel's back came when Wadud, answering a question, criticized Canada's proposed Shariah laws and expressed support for same-sex marriage.
A deeply troubling aspect of the audience's reaction was that it was clearly divided along ethnic lines. Arabs largely behaved as one group heckling her, while South Asians bandied together in supporting her. The few white Muslims stuck quietly with each other. And in a telling indication of the profound divisions within the community, it appeared that Wadud may have been the only African in the room, although Africans account for about a quarter of Toronto's Muslim population.
Ahmed Bayoumi, an Egyptian-Canadian Physician who sat through the entire lecture, reacting to the heckling said, "I find it fascinating that people would question Wadud’s ability to speak Arabic because she has moved from an interpretative understanding of the Qur’an to a literalist one. The argument seems to be that if she can explain away troublesome verses by resorting to nuance or obscurantism, her Arabic must be fine, but if she accepts the meanings of the text at face value, well she must have lost her previous fluency."
Describing Amina Wadud's lecture as "revolutionary and liberating," Bayoumi said, "I think Wadud is absolutely right. It's wonderful if you can live with legalistic or interpretive explanations. I cannot. It was liberating for me to hear somebody of Amina Wadud's stature say that she also cannot, not as an excuse for wanting to perform bad acts, but from a perspective of trying to be a true moral being and God's agent."
The knee-jerk reaction to being reminded of our internalized racism is predictable: complete denial. Racism governs our behavior, yet we are oblivious to our own prejudices and tribalism. With noted exceptions, I saw this in action on Sunday. I heard repeatedly from Arabs in the audience that Amina Wadud does not understand Arabic. Instead of debating the merits of her argument, many invoked and sought refuge in their ethnic and linguistic superiority.
Then there is the predictable reaction towards converts. If the converts are white, all of us, Arabs and South Asians, simply go complete gaga, but if we run into Black converts, we treat them at best in a condescending manner with barely concealed disrespect, as demonstrated Sunday night in Toronto.
Abbas Syed, an Indo-Canadian who witnessed the entire episode summed it best. "When a white person converts to Islam, we try to make him the Imam of the mosque. But when a Black woman converts to Islam, we expect her to run the mosque day care for children during Jum'a prayers. Amina should have worn the Hijab; people would have mistaken her for a dark Pakistani."