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    Quote Originally Posted by kareemabdullah View Post
    salaam,

    great article sister, I just had a little talk with a sikh guy about 40 years old and he was saying that you believe in one god and the similarities in Islam, he then asked about the kaaba, he said he heard that there are idols in there, I said that they aren't there anymore, it was the pagan arabs who worshipped them but mohammed s.a.w destroyed them. He said about in makkah how when we throw the stone to shaytan it can be seen to be idol worship, I said no it only signifies that we are keeping the devil away, and he said well that what idols are, things that sigify/stand for something. We discussed some things and it bothered me that he was talking like islam and sikhism are on the same level or that sikhism is higher when we all know they don't compare. So I'm now looking sikhism up to improve my knowledge and to destroy any future attemps from sikhs to give sikh dawah. If sikhism is the truth then why are only indian people sikh, if its the truth its the truth for all mankind, and they worship their book the guru granth sahib, they bow down to it in the gudwara and if change its covers like its a human, this is enough evidence of its falsehood.

    You have to remember islam is way older than sikhism and has had time to spread, lets not also forget that some of the mughal kings as I said forced people to convert during their reign, so another reason as to why their are more. I am not saying that all were forcefully converted but a good number were, some stayed muslim some probably did come back to what they originally were.

    Guru granth sahib is not a book to us. We do not worship it. It is a our teacher, our 11th and final guru. We do treat it like a "da-e thari" guru, which in your words like a human. In the olden days you bowed to your teachers, some cultures still do. Thats why we bow in front of it not because we worship it.

    Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean its false.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nworb View Post
    Kara is a steel bracelet. It is a symbol to indicate that your beliefs should be strong as steel, and it is worn on the rite hand to help you stop if your about to do something wrong. Because if your right handed you will raise that hand first, which means if your left handed you can wear it on the left. People will still screw up if they want to but it is as a helpful symbol to direct you to the rite path.
    Actually the above cold be some rationale behind its practice today but if i'm not mistaken all 5 k's are established as a token of rememberance for the soldiers who fought to sustain sikhism. The steel bracelet was what they used to have attached to heir swords (even whilst sleeping) thus this is your 'sunnah' of the soldiers that defended your communities.

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    sikhism is a joke. You have stollen from islam and hinduism, a monotheistic religion and a pagan religion, guru nanak was not a muslim, if he was he was a deviant, what you say he did showed he was a deviant who has zero knowledge on islam, and he wouldn't ever have gotten into mecca because he wasn't a religion. That was another lie made by sikhs to anger the muslims for the past, guru nanak lol, what would he know on ALLAH and the best way to worship him when ALLAH clearly revealed through prophets how he wants us to worship him. Who was guru nanak, he had no knowledge and god said nothing to him, muhammad s.a.w is the last prophet, after him nobody gets revelation from god, and the sikhs I know all say sikhism is a mixture of islam and hinduism, fact.

    Study islam and leave the false religion of sikhism, nonsense about growing the hair, thats why sikh women have beards lol

    if nanak tryed to get to mecca he would have had his head separated from his shoulders in seconds, and if he put his feet towards to kaaba he would get battered, god isn't everywhere, but see's everything, ALLAH is abouve the seven heavens, and nobody sleeps near the kaaba, you sikhs are full of ****, there are no non indian sikhs because its a racist religion that doesn't allow anyone else to join, but the funny thing is, nobody gives a damn, nobody in their right mind woul join anyway. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and you can only reach ALLAH through Islam, not a pagan religion. Why would god allow us to worship a statue of a pig or elephant, or worship jesus when god in none of those, use your head, those religions are false and ALLAH will throw all disbelievers into jahanam forever


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    Can i just say that everyone has a right to tell things from their own perspective!Thats the way she has seen things of sikhism and the way shes explained things about aspects of sikhism only a sikh would know not a fake!Many times i have also got into calm discussions with sikhs over the internet and they get so angry and leary! theres no need for your bad language! Islam teaches manners and im sure sikhism must do so why not implement it?
    I went to demontfort university and it is a university full of sikhs! and im a very easy going person and i had some friends who were sikh aswell as muslims! Now the way this sister said things about sikhism made so much sense to me because thats the way it came across when i was living in lesta!
    The head of the sikh society was a very well known drunkard yet all the sikhs still looked at him in high regard! He was constantly on the streets drunk and where i used to live near narborough road he used to stagger around with the protection of his friends asking for trouble and fights off anyone who was walking past!Him and his sikh society friends were also known to be the worst trouble makers in and around the city centre especially at night after a drink fueled night out! They also started trouble with the sikhs i knew from luton!
    The sikh society in lesta were very well known for their evil tactics towards muslims in and around demontfort! One time i was shocked to know that they sent leaflets urging sikhs to be-friend muslim girls and to mess their heads up! Now these people are representing sikhsim!The muslims have never even dreamt of ever doing this cause were taught to be respectful to every religion and never use evil towards them! Now what message have these people given us about sikhism? For several years ive known many sikh people and nearly 90% of the sikh girls have said that their familys hate muslims and also bought them up to hate muslims aswell! and the way this girl was talking at the begining made complete sense because thast the way man many sikhs are in this country!That is a known fact so please dont deny it! The majority of them have said that if their daughters married muslims then they would be disowned!and that it is shameful for them to marry a muslim! a sikh friend told me not long ago that it is forbidden for a sikh to drink! I was absolutely shocked! The reason is because the biggest drunkards nowadays in all clubs that ive seen are bearded sikhs with turbans!
    It is also a well known fact that gurdwaras just like churches are being abandoned by especially the youth and i read a forum where it was being discussed that why cant gurwaras be filled with people like mosques are everyday! I dont understand how sikhs follow aspects of hinduism yet disregard them for worshipping idols? i urge u to look into islam and u will truly see for yourself that it makes sense! Just do that for yourself for your own knowledge cause i know in your mind u know that sikhism is full of too many contradictions and it just doesnt make sense! I hope u will look into islam for yourself! I am sorry if i caused offense with anything that i have said! take care bye!


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    salaam

    my friend converted a leader of a university sikh society, he has been a muslim for about 6 years, and its a known fact that even the sikhs that wake up at 3.00am to wash their hair and pray still go out on the p**s, and just with church, there is a reason why the youth go to the temple, the christian church only gets a turnout because the kids love music, and especially black churches with gospel, they love music so if you take the gospel out of the church the church would empty. The gurdwara only gets a turnout because the kids get free food, mostly baked beans, thats why sikhs fart alot, and they only go for the food, plus they get martial arts leasons, they are so arrogant, they think their style of martial arts are the best, but they have never tested it, sikhs segregate themselves and this is so people can't learn about sikhism, if people learnt they could be refuted, sikhism is a rip off of the true religion islam and a idol worship religion hinduism, enough said


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    Quote Originally Posted by kareemabdullah View Post
    sikhism is a joke. You have stollen from islam and hinduism, a monotheistic religion and a pagan religion, guru nanak was not a muslim, if he was he was a deviant, what you say he did showed he was a deviant who has zero knowledge on islam, and he wouldn't ever have gotten into mecca because he wasn't a religion. That was another lie made by sikhs to anger the muslims for the past, guru nanak lol, what would he know on ALLAH and the best way to worship him when ALLAH clearly revealed through prophets how he wants us to worship him. Who was guru nanak, he had no knowledge and god said nothing to him, muhammad s.a.w is the last prophet, after him nobody gets revelation from god, and the sikhs I know all say sikhism is a mixture of islam and hinduism, fact.

    Study islam and leave the false religion of sikhism, nonsense about growing the hair, thats why sikh women have beards lol

    if nanak tryed to get to mecca he would have had his head separated from his shoulders in seconds, and if he put his feet towards to kaaba he would get battered, god isn't everywhere, but see's everything, ALLAH is abouve the seven heavens, and nobody sleeps near the kaaba, you sikhs are full of ****, there are no non indian sikhs because its a racist religion that doesn't allow anyone else to join, but the funny thing is, nobody gives a damn, nobody in their right mind woul join anyway. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and you can only reach ALLAH through Islam, not a pagan religion. Why would god allow us to worship a statue of a pig or elephant, or worship jesus when god in none of those, use your head, those religions are false and ALLAH will throw all disbelievers into jahanam forever
    Quote Originally Posted by kareemabdullah View Post
    salaam

    my friend converted a leader of a university sikh society, he has been a muslim for about 6 years, and its a known fact that even the sikhs that wake up at 3.00am to wash their hair and pray still go out on the p**s, and just with church, there is a reason why the youth go to the temple, the christian church only gets a turnout because the kids love music, and especially black churches with gospel, they love music so if you take the gospel out of the church the church would empty. The gurdwara only gets a turnout because the kids get free food, mostly baked beans, thats why sikhs fart alot, and they only go for the food, plus they get martial arts leasons, they are so arrogant, they think their style of martial arts are the best, but they have never tested it, sikhs segregate themselves and this is so people can't learn about sikhism, if people learnt they could be refuted, sikhism is a rip off of the true religion islam and a idol worship religion hinduism, enough said
    Please watch your language when responding to others. The Sikh girl has responsed in a very polite and well-mannered way.

    I would urge you to do likewise.

    And I would like to apologise to the Sikh girl if she has taken any offense at some of the posts.


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    the sikh girl was speaking nonsense, but yes, you are right, she said it in a nice way


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    Is it true that Sikhism is a racist religion , becoz there are no non-Punjabi Sikhs , all Sikhs are Punjabis , show me one Sikh who is not a Punjabi....also , there is a caste system within Sikhism , if I'm not mistaken , between Jatts , Rajputs , Khatris and Chamars/Bhangis.


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    to SIKH WOMAN

    first of all the man you are dating is not a muslim, he was simply born to a muslim family, he is a kafir, a disbeliever, any muslim who says he would convert he would convert to the filth that is sikhism is a kafir, may ALLAH curse him, he woud leave the truth, AL Islam for a bit of crumpit, I.E you, he is not a muslim, sikhism is a false thieving religion full of alcoholics, ever been to a sikh wedding, they are drunk before they get to the ceromony, and sikhism stole from Islam and hinduism and made new stuff up too, fact. So I offer Islam to you, the truth, compared with the falsehood you follow, and there is no true peace in anything except Islam, you will in your life ask many questions that sikhism has no answer for, Islam does. Also sikhism contains countless mistakes and contradictions, would you have been a sikh if not for your family raising you in sikhism? No, but if you studied all religions without bias, you will find Islam t be the truth.

    ALLAH says In chapter 17 verse 81

    And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."


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    Quote Originally Posted by aaliyahkhan33 View Post
    First off I just want to start off saying to anybody who might be thinking that I am a fake and pretending to make this story up. That in fact I am not, and I know sikhs will say alot of stuff, and I know my muslim brothers and sisters
    (some not all) will think inside their head good haha a sikh converted to islam.

    But my conversion is nothing to rub in others face or to discriminate against. I have posted this story for those sikhs who might be thinking about reverting but are not sure or need somebody to relate to. Because I sure know if I had that it would have made things clearer to me earlier.

    I grew up in a very religious sikh family in Canada. Although my parents were not amrit shak they were pretty religious, and so was I. I went to the gudwara regularly did my seva, prayed. But I wasn't a full practicing sikh (i ate meat, cut my hair) but despite that I was more religious then most young sikhs.

    Growing up I absolutly hated muslims. I cannot even begin to emphasize how much i actually did hate them. I hated Islam and everything that it stood for. I use to tell everybody to hate them as well. And it actually worked, my cousins my family friends. I would tell my younger cousins if they ever made friends with a muslim I would kick their [clip]

    I picked on young muslim girls who wore Hijjab. I would find muslims online swear at them and at Islam (may allah forgive me).When ever I would have to write a paper it would be on Oppresion of women in Islam, and or how muslims are devil worshippers. My hate for them was extreme I was gonna get a tatoo on my back in arabic writing saying all the muslims are gonna die.

    I think about it now as to why I hated muslims and islam so much and it seems clear to me. I was a proud Sikh Jatt girl,extremley proud. Whenever I would hear about what the guru's had to go through because of the Mongols or that era I'd wanna kill a muslim. I would sit in the gudwara listen to the baba tell stories of the guru's and just get ******.

    I don't know about gudwara's around the world but in Canada in the langar hall they ususally have so many paintings of muslims killing sikhs and the guru's. So one would sit there and stare at this and be like #%*@#$%%^% while eating their rotti.

    One day I met a Muslim guy at university,and we began going out. I don't know why I even went out with him but I did. Eventually we got married, my parents were okay with it. We Had a really nice wedding. I had already told him that I would die before becoming a muslim, and he was okay with that.

    As I stayed in their home the first few months of my married life. I began to see them as people. They were actually nice people. They never once asked me to convert which surprised me. His father was very religious, I use to often see him praying or having religious talks with my husband.

    Even though I had decided okay maybe muslims are nice..but i was still like hell no Im a Proud Sikh girl, I use to wear my Kara with pride, never ate halal brought my non halal meat for myself.

    One day I was like hmm let me find out what islam is. I began reading about it. found it very interesting. It was nothing like I thought it was. It made so much sense to me. But that wasn't gonna change me being a Sikh.

    One day I asked my husband to have a debate with me about sikhism and islam. My husband never wins debates but he won this one. So i thought maybe im not that knowledgable in sikhism. I began taking classes and studied it day in day out.

    The more I studied it the more I got scared, the fact that Islam might be the right religon shook me. I couldn't give it up, my pride this is who I was a sikh, my anncestors faught to their death so they could keep their faith.

    Here is some of what i learned.....

    1) Sikhism doesn't believe in prophethood
    since i was a little I asked my mom why did muslims kill our gods? He was god mom why didn't god kill the muslims. My mom's answer was he wanted to show them.. show them what mom? her answer was shut up u ask to many questions! I did further research and found out that this was part of guru's plans if they wanted they could have done magic but did not want to.. sureee okay.
    why would god allow mere humans to kill him?
    So god can die?
    If god can't protect himself how is he gonna help me?
    god bleeds like me?

    Then some say they were sent down from the akal purath to show the way they had a part of god in them. Fiar enough but first off thats wrong guru granth says that it denounces prophethood. Secondly if only a part of god is with them then why do we worship his creation why not worship the almighty himself. Thats like saying imma go worship my mom. Don't even deny it you know ur parents are sure enough to have pictures of guru Nanak and guru gobind singh ji somewhere in the house. And u know ur parents fold their hand and pray to them.

    When i use to read Nitnama Bani, I use to read passages which said I seek protection under guru gobind singh ji's sword. Guru Gobind singh ji died, if he couldn't protect himself with his own sword i don't think that sword is gonna do much for me or anybody else.

    2) Sikhism is confused about believing in one god

    Guru Nanak Dev Ji was the one who said ik onkar (there is 1 god). But Asking my parents and varoius Baba's at the gudwara and even discovering it myself. that in fact Ik onkar means all the guru's are one. Maybe Guru Nanak did mean there is one god but afterwards something happened along the way?

    3) Guru Nanak was a muslim!!

    Guru Nanak's chola which is kept by a chosen Gursikh family has in arabic the words written on it La illa ilallah muhhamdur rusool allah. It is said he gave it to his followers. There are pictures of it on the internet if you think I am lying. He went to mecca medina which everybody knows.

    If u are a muslim u very well know no non-muslims are aloud there. It's strictly for believers only. There is story which says Guru Nanak was sleeping with his feet towards the Kabbah when he arrived at mecca and a man asked him to move his feet. when the man would turn the feet of Guru Nanak his feet would go back in the same place facing the Kabbah. And supposably the man was shocked and thought Guru Nanak was a saint.

    This story cann't make sense at all!!
    First off If that were true and Nanak had his feet in the direction of the kabbah they would have killed him no questions asked. Its tottal disrespect, and besides why would he come all that way to do hajj and then disrespect it like that. It just makes no sense.

    Mecca is an extremly religious place u can't just expect to do that and nothing happen to you. If guru Nanak thought the Kabbah was nothing then he would not have made the trouble to do pilgrimage there. If he claims there is no hindu no muslims why did he go perform hajj.

    When you perform Hajj your very lucky if you get some string from the Kabbah which he did and those very strings are in a gudwara in India. I've seen them for myself.

    4) Guru Amar Das changed things

    Its believed by many that he changed alot of guru Nanaks writings around and or added his own thing in.

    5) Why is it all the sikh gods died?

    6) Sikhism and Hinduism very alike

    For those who do not already know the geeta has very digusting things in it, hindu's don't like to admit it but Kama sutra is considered religious text. Hindu's are idol worshipers. There are stories of their gods jerking off we dont need to get into detail. Guru Granth praises the Hindu gods, talks about them.

    Why is this that the guru granth can even have these idol gods and perverted gods in a sikh book. There are passages that talk about hinduism and thier gods and their worships basically not denoucing it saying it too is a way of worship

    Also my mom told me That there was this hindu god I dunno her name she had a small mandir and there was a big gudwara next to it, she said to one of the guru's. Ur temple is so big nobody will come to my mandir it is so small. From that day forth guru said to her from now on for those who come to worship at this temple have to first go to the mandir and pray there.

    Sikhs in india actually do that today and even have this godesses picture in thier house its the one with the multiple arms.

    7) Sikhs believe all religons is a way to god

    If this is so then why were the guru's so against islam. I mean wasn't it them wou said follow whatever they are all the path to god? Then why is it that sikhs don't allow to cut hair and eat meat and others fiaths allow it but they still can go to god? Hmm i dunno sounds like somebody got confused.


    8) Behavior at Amritsar
    Amritsar is the holliest sikh place. Why would god allow it to be attacked the way it was have women being gang-raped. Children killed men murdered. The Guru granth urinated on and set on fire? Also i have heard this from so many sikh ladies when they go to amritsar men will walk by and grab their private parts walk away as though nothing happened. This is suppose to be a holly place and this kind of stuff happens i feel more safer in my house. Its sickening that men will do this, I cannot understand why god would allow this to happen? Sexuall assult at a holy sikh temple ... DISGUSTING

    9)Guru's lies

    The guru's say that all religons lead to the path of god. If this is so why is it if your not amrit shak (baptized sikh) and did not lead a good life you don't go to heaven, in fact you are re-incarnated and this is an ongoing cycle until u become amrit shak and lead a good life!! So whats with the contradictions. No religon is perfect if so thing contradict with other then they are not the words of god.

    I just want to say to all the sikhs out there that U cannot be mad at the muslims for what happened all those years ago. The ones that are to blame are those mongols who commited the crime. Allah will punish them for what they have done.

    in the quran it says:

    "If someone kills another person,it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32)

    Also think about it u can't force convert anybody. Faith is what is already in you it what u are. If I came to you and said convert to Hinduism or u will die, and u said okay sure. Then i leave, how am I suppose to know if u did it from the heart or not u can show something on the outside and be something else on the inside.

    also in the quran it says that u cannot force anybody to convert allah guides whom he wills and sets astray whom he wills.
    If you are thinking of converting here are some helpful sites

    www.islamonline.net
    www.****************
    www.islamyesterday.com
    www.islamtomorow.com
    www.harunyahya.com
    www.lightuponlight.com

    After Discovering all this I automatically wanted to revert. It was wierd. I remember lying in my bed looking the the ceiling thinking about what I had done in the past. I remember crying to allah and asking for forgivness for all the bad things i had said, for how i treated muslims.

    I know there are sikh reverts out there, but they rarely speak out about it. If u are one u should speak out about it because its important you help others see the truth.

    I wrote this to show sikhs the truth not to disprespect anybody or hurt anybody. Im very glad allah SWT has shown me the right way Alhamdillah. I pray he opens others heart as he has opened mine. you can't escape the miracles of the quran, there are no miracles in the sikh book. I know Ive read it, i've studied it. So i know what im talking about. Put the pride away just for a moment and think about what i said.
    Then everything will become clear to you!!

    NOTE: MANY HAVE ASKED HOW I STILL BEING A SIKH WAS ACCEPTED HERE IS MY ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS:HOPE IT HELPS:
    One day I met a Muslim guy at university, who was also taking bussiness. Our teacher had assighned us a 2 month long project and partnered us up together. Since this project was a good chunk of our mark we spent alot of time together during those 2 months. Growing up I had alot of family problems to do with my dad. None of our extended family ever cared they would laugh, piont or just sit back and watch the show. One day I was really sad and I just blurted out my family problems to him. He amazed me he was the first one to ever care, he wiped my tears. I was shocked that he was a just like a friend and he cared so much. He would after that constantly call me to check up on me, to see if im okay. When things use to get really bad he would take me and my sister out for ice cream.
    He would cry with me, and during the 2 months i fell head over heals for him. because for the first time in my life I not ony found a soul mate but a best friend. When the 2 months were over. He told me he liked me and we began going out. We never talked about religon because I guess we both knew it would be a difficutl subject.
    At first our families were not too happy with it at all. Lets just say we went through alot of difficulties for a while to be together. No there were no death threats or physical fighting ( thanks u allah lol).
    I never knew when when we wanted to be married that he was not aloud to marry a non-muslim only people of the book. I always thought it was just because I was not like them. My husband loved me very much during the time we went through alot to be together we were a wreck. His parents couldn't stand to see him like that neither could mine. His sayin is My happiness lies in my children if they are happy Im happy. I think about how he accepted me while knowing it was against islam and i tremendously love him for that ( because he is very religious). He is the father I never had and i pray to allah that he doesn't get sinned for that. Because i think to myself what if I hadnt been accepted would i still have found the truth? I love him my father in law very much.

    Also people might be wondering how did we get married. We had a nikkah. Because i put my stupid pride aside and thought about my father in laws respect. He accepted me and I could not refuse his wishes. We did not have a sikh wedding.
    I hope this help answer ur questions.

    http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/

    visit this site and see the miracles

    If anybody has any questions feel free to ask
    to aaliyahkhan33
    obviously you dont know anything about sikhism. this first word in sikh holy book "Guru Granth sahib ji" is akonkar means ONE GOD, and u r confused over that. it just shows how much effort you have put into understandin sikhism.

    before you pass on the information to other people, you got to make sure that it is true information, (even ISLAM tells u to do that as i have been told by my best friend who is TRUE muslim) and clearly you have not done that. all of your points gives wrong information about sikhism.

    now that you have choosen ur path, i beg you to put some effort into it, understand it and follow it properly.
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