quick questions re masah of wiping over socks for wudu

[0405453a]

assalam brothers and sisters,

i have a few quick questions re wiping over socks for wudu.

Firstly, i was under the impression that leather or thick socks with leather like qualities were required for this, and ordinary. fairly thin, cotton/nylon etc socks would not do. However, i was looking on youtube for an answer to my second question when icame across a video by an Imam called Hassan Khalil who says or seems to imply that there are too many rulings on this which is making something which is supposed to make our religion eaxier, actually harder and he implies you can wear any type of sock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_293...eature=related

He says it around the 4min 50 sec mark.

Secondly, the reason i was in youtube is i was looking for an example of how to do it. I know you do not need to wipe the sides or back so do you just wet the fingers and run them from your toes to the ankle (i.e., from the toes all the way down?)

Jazakallah

[abdulwahhab]

He is not a Hanafi (sounds like a Salafi) and his excuse that there are too many conditions is very ironic because he then starts to lay down conditions for what are considered socks (e.g. they have to cover the ankles).

[SASLAMS]

obvious salafi. i dont know but it sounded as if he said that rinsing mouth & nose is wajib.

[abdulwahhab]

Yes, he said that mouth and nose are considered parts of the face so they have to be washed, too. This is the first I've ever heard of such an opinion.

[abuhajira]

please write down your question..

For detailed read on Masah on Sock, please see : http://daruliftaa.net/fiqhresearch.html

Masah on Socks : http://daruliftaa.net/fiqhresearch/D...-on-Socks.html

P.S If having too many opinion on an issue is sufficient to find an easier solution, then lets start making loads of opinion in everything, then all of us can have the islam custom tailored to our ease..

[Rifai]

As-salamu ´alaykum,

SASLAMS & abdulwahhab

Rinsing the mouth and nose in wudu is wajib according to the Hanbali school. They also permit the wiping of socks as long as the underlying skin is not discernable.

wa'Llahu a'lam

[abdulwahhab]

As-salamu ´alaykum,

SASLAMS & abdulwahhab

Rinsing the mouth and nose in wudu is wajib according to the Hanbali school. They also permit the wiping of socks as long as the underlying skin is not discernable.

wa'Llahu a'lam

Going through the article posted by Moulana abuhajira, I see that a condition for validity of masah in all schools is that if water is poured on the socks (wiping does not equal pouring), the socks should not allow water to go through and wet the skin. Most of the socks that we wear even get wet when we walk across a wet floor, let alone have water poured on them.

But it is mentioned that this is a controversial issue with the Hanbali madhhab so maybe there is such a difference of opinion.

It is also mentioned that only a handful of scholars (about 4 or 5 are named within the article posted) have permitted masah on any socks.

Nevertheless, the tone taken by the speaker and the language used in the clip posted in the original post seems to not merely present the opinion that wiping over regular socks is okay, but also charges other opinions (upon which there are no doubts and there is ijma') of making things difficult and thus are invalid opinions.

[Rifai]

Sidi Abdulwahhab,

What you mention from the article is not correct. Such an opinion exists within the Hanbali school, but it is considered a weak one. What is relied-upon is that the underlying skin should not be seen. And this is what I have received from one of my teachers who is a Mufti in the Hanbali school. It is not really considered controversial within the madhhab. Remember, the Hanbalis even allow wiping over the turban, hijab etc.

However, I follow neither opinion.

wa'Llahu a'lam

Going through the article posted by Moulana abuhajira, I see that a condition for validity of masah in all schools is that if water is poured on the socks (wiping does not equal pouring), the socks should not allow water to go through and wet the skin. Most of the socks that we wear even get wet when we walk across a wet floor, let alone have water poured on them.

But it is mentioned that this is a controversial issue with the Hanbali madhhab so maybe there is such a difference of opinion.

It is also mentioned that only a handful of scholars (about 4 or 5 are named within the article posted) have permitted masah on any socks.

Nevertheless, the tone taken by the speaker and the language used in the clip posted in the original post seems to not merely present the opinion that wiping over regular socks is okay, but also charges other opinions (upon which there are no doubts and there is ijma') of making things difficult and thus are invalid opinions.

[SASLAMS]

the opinion about wiping over any sock is also found in the shafi' madhab. I think its the opinion of Imaam Juwayni & Ghazali RA hm. the held the opinion that only the shart of the sock being strong enough to walk on exists. being water proof is thus not a shart according to them. even making mash over a turban or hijab-you just need water to touch the hair regardless of what part of the head aslong as it in the hadd of the head.

my problem with the video was also about the manner & tone of the of the sheikh. we right & all of you are wrong. notice I didnt even say he was wrong just that he said its wajib.

[al-Anfal]

I thought the prophet [s] and the sahabah [r] wiped over their socks? Why would scholars make it haram if it was done by the prophet [s] and sahabah [r]?