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    My mother used to offer salatul tasbeeh regularly up until now. I read at some places and even heard from someone that salatul tasbeeh is an innovation, hence I asked my mother not to. Now again while reading through another thread here on SF about nafl salat in ramadan, the article included salatul tasbih as a recommended nafl salat. Now I am very confused. Is it authentic? Are there any saheeh hadiths supporting it?

    Did I commit a mistake by stopping my mother from praying it thinking it is innovation? When there is a doubt about a particular form of practice, is it advisable to stop someone else from doing it or will that be considered a sin?

    Kindly help.



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    Salaam,

    I'm sure the more knowledgeable brothers will reply to this thread with more information.

    Benefits of Salat-Ul-Tasbih
    Our Beloved Prophet Mohammed (Sallallaho Alihiwassallam) said to his uncle (father’s brother) Sayyiduna Abbass (may Allah be pleased with him) Oh uncle shall I not give you Shall I not grant you Shall I not award you Shall I not do mercy on you When you do 10 things Allah will forgive your sins: of the future and of the past; new and old; those you have forgotten and those you did knowingly; big and small; hidden and revealed. Then he (Sallallaho Alihiwassallam) explained the taught the way to pray Salatul Tasbih and then said if you can pray this salah once a day, if you can not pray once a day then every Friday, and even if this is not possible then once a month and even if this is not possible then once a year and even if this is not possible then at least once in a lifetime (Abu’Dawood & Tirimzi)


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    Quote Originally Posted by saihah View Post


    My mother used to offer salatul tasbeeh regularly up until now. I read at some places and even heard from someone that salatul tasbeeh is an innovation, hence I asked my mother not to. Now again while reading through another thread here on SF about nafl salat in ramadan, the article included salatul tasbih as a recommended nafl salat. Now I am very confused. Is it authentic? Are there any saheeh hadiths supporting it?


    Yes it is sahih and it is AUTHENTIC. Even Shaikh Albani accepts it as Sahih. This is why you should never do things in haste. Always first ask 'Ulama then give a fatwa.

    Here is the Hadith:

    Hazrat Abdullah bin Abbas (Radhiallaahu Anhu) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said to his uncle Abbas ibn Abdul Muttalib (Radhiallaahu Anhu), "Shall I not give you a gift? Shall I grant you a blessing? Shall I inform you of a great benefit? Shall I give you something, which if you do, Allah will forgive you all your sins, old and past and new, committed by mistake or knowingly, small and big, committed in secret or openly? What you have to do is offer four rak'ah of optional prayers in this way: in every rak'ah after the Al-Hamd and Surah and while yet standing, recite the third kalimah fifteen times, then in the bowing, ruku, ten times, then standing up after the bow, qoma, ten times, then in each prostration ten times and in between the two prostrations ten times, and sitting up after the second prostration, ten times; seventy-five times per rak'ah, three-hundred times in all. Then, He said, "If possible, offer this prayer once every day; if you cannot, offer it once on Fridays, if this is not possible, offer it once a month, if this too is not possible, offer it once a year, and if even this is not possible, offer it once in your lifetime."
    This hadeeth is Saheeh (authentic li-ghairihi) and is narrated in Abu Dawood (1297), Ibn Majah (1387) al-Haakim (1-308).

    Al-Haafidth ibn Hajar said, 'And in the narration of At-Tabrani: even if your sins were as the foam of the sea, or as much as the sand, Allah would forgive you...'

    Abu Bakr b. Abi Dawood said that he heard his father say, 'There is nothing in the Tasbeeh prayer more authentic than this hadeeth.'

    Imam Muslim said, 'There is no hadeeth with a better chain of narrators in this matter other than this...' (i.e. Ibn Abbas narration).

    The second hadeeth, which is also authentic (Saheeh li-ghairihi) is narrated on the authority of Abi Rafi'...it to is similar to the above (in its wording).

    This narration was narrated by Ibn Majah, at-Tirmidthi, Ad'daar-Qutni, and al-Baihaqi.

    Al-Baihaqi said, that Abdullah b. al-Mubarak used to pray the Tasbeeh prayer, this prayer was handed (to us) by the pious predecessors, and from this, the above hadeeth gains extra strength...!

    At-Tirmidthi said, 'this is a ghareeb hadeeth from the narration of Abi Rafi' he then said, 'Ibn al-Mubarak used to practice it, and other people of knowledge used to practice it also, and they mentioned its merits.'

    Of those who corrected (authenticated) the above hadeeth:-

    1. Abu Dawood,

    2. Ibn Mundah,

    3. Al-Aajari,

    4. As-Sum'aani,

    5. al-Madini,

    6. al-Mundthiri,

    7. Abul-Hasan al-Mundthiri,

    8. Ibn As-Salaah,

    9. Ad-Dailami,

    10. Al-Haakim,

    11. Al-A'laali,

    12. Az-Zurkashi,

    13. Al-Muhaamili,

    14. Abul-Hasan al-Muqdasi,

    15. al-Juwaini,

    16. Al-Baghawi,

    17. Ar-Ra'fiee',

    18. Al-Haitami,

    19. As-Su'youti,

    20. Al-Luknawwi,

    21. Ibn Aa'bideen,

    22. Al-Albani and others...


    Did I commit a mistake by stopping my mother from praying it thinking it is innovation?
    Yes you made a mistake.

    When there is a doubt about a particular form of practice, is it advisable to stop someone else from doing it or will that be considered a sin?
    There is no doubt in this one. The question is very general. You need to be specific. In this case, you did not do a good thing by stopping her.

    The doubt here was just lack of knowledge.


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    Default Re: Salatul tasbeeh

    Quote Originally Posted by silentflute View Post
    Salaam,

    I'm sure the more knowledgeable brothers will reply to this thread with more information.

    Benefits of Salat-Ul-Tasbih
    Our Beloved Prophet Mohammed (Sallallaho Alihiwassallam) said to his uncle (father’s brother) Sayyiduna Abbass (may Allah be pleased with him) Oh uncle shall I not give you Shall I not grant you Shall I not award you Shall I not do mercy on you When you do 10 things Allah will forgive your sins: of the future and of the past; new and old; those you have forgotten and those you did knowingly; big and small; hidden and revealed. Then he (Sallallaho Alihiwassallam) explained the taught the way to pray Salatul Tasbih and then said if you can pray this salah once a day, if you can not pray once a day then every Friday, and even if this is not possible then once a month and even if this is not possible then once a year and even if this is not possible then at least once in a lifetime (Abu’Dawood & Tirimzi)
    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=1253
    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...ID=1254&CATE=4


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    Quote Originally Posted by saihah View Post


    My mother used to offer salatul tasbeeh regularly up until now. I read at some places and even heard from someone that salatul tasbeeh is an innovation, hence I asked my mother not to. Now again while reading through another thread here on SF about nafl salat in ramadan, the article included salatul tasbih as a recommended nafl salat. Now I am very confused. Is it authentic? Are there any saheeh hadiths supporting it?

    Did I commit a mistake by stopping my mother from praying it thinking it is innovation? When there is a doubt about a particular form of practice, is it advisable to stop someone else from doing it or will that be considered a sin?

    Kindly help.

    Yes totally authentic and you should do it once a week once a day once a month once a year or at least once in your lifetime. Its advisable to keep in contact with ulama asking them questions about religious practices, ulama know better what is authentic and what is innovation.

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    Except you at the occurrence of widespread calamity.


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    The Respected Shaykh Mentioned Just The Other Day Whilst Giving 10 Points To Keep In Mind On The Day Of Friday ( Preferable Acts ) , That One Should Try To Go Early To The Masjid For Jummah Salaat And In That Time Before The Salaat Or Bayaan Perform The Nafl Salaat ( Salaat Tasbeeh )

    One should do it once a week once a day once a month once a year or at least once in your lifetime
    Have Respect For The Haramain

    Please Recite:

    Surah Yaseen (22)
    Surah Kahf On Fridays (15 Juz)
    Surah Dukhan On The Night Of Friday (25 Juz)
    Surah Tabarak/Mulk - Every Night (29 Juz)
    Surah Sajdah - Every Night (21 Juz)


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    There is great dispute on the authenticity of this hadeeth. Imam Ibn Al Jawzee even considered it fabricated. Especially that its "Shaadh" (unique, uncommon, one of a kind etc). Imam Ahmad also didnt accept this hadeeth.

    Among those who say its weak or fabricated are :

    Ibn Al Jawzee
    Al Tirmidhee
    Ibn Taymiyah
    Imam Ahmad (of the four Madhab)
    Ali Bin Al Madini
    Abu Ja'far Al Aqeeli
    Ibn Al-arabi
    Al-Aljooni
    Al-Mzee

    Among recent scholars is Sheikh Ibn Baz Rahimahu Allah, Shiekh Haatim Al Shareef, Sheikh Saleh Al Foozan, Sheikh Dr Salman Al Oodah.

    Imam Ibn Hajar considered it weak, then later on became more accepting of it.

    Al-Albani and others consider it Saheeh.

    Shiekh Al Islam Ibn Taymiyah said

    "Every prayer that consists of a specific number of verses or Suras, or Tasbeeh, is a lie (unauthentic unacceptable) by the consensus of the people of knowledge of Hadeeth. Except the Hadeeth of Salat Al Tasbeeh, for there are two opinions, and the stronger one is that its a lie even though some of the people of knowledge accepted it. This is why none of the Imams of the Muslims accepted it, rather Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal and Imams of the Sahabah considered it makrooh (makrooh in Hanbali Madhab can mean haram sometimes, not sure if thats the case here), and pointed to faults in its hadeeth.

    Imam Malik and Abu Haneefah and Al Shafi'i and others, never heard of it at all. Those who consider it liked (mustahab) from Hanbalis or Shafi'ees, do so based on their own opinions, and not narrating from their Imams. As for Abdullah Ibn Mubarak, what he accepted wasnt the way it is done in the hadeeth with Tasbeeh before Qiyam, rather another way that goes with the known acceptable manner, so that a Sunnah based on a hadeeth with no basis isnt confirmed."

    He also said "The Hadeeth of Salat Al Tasabeeh, was narrted by Abu Dawood and Al Tirmidhi, although none of the four Imams said this, rather Imam Ahmad considered the hadeeth weak, and disliked this prayer. ... " then he said "This is against Al Usool (fundementals) and anyone who ponders the fundementals will know that it is fabricated.


    Shiekh Ibn Baz and Al Foozan when asked about it basically mentioned the two views, and the difference of opinion. But they considered it based on unauthentic narrations, that are Munkar and Shadh, since the manner is totally different from all the known prayers that are authentic. They say theres plenty of authentic prayers that are sufficiant such as Tahajjid witr Al Dhuhaa prayer etc.

    As mentioned by someone else earlier, Al Albani and many others considered the hadeeth Saheeh.

    So clearly theres a strong objection to this prayer, but with many accepting the hadeeth.

    I dont know but if my mother asked me id recommend she follow something proven, totally authentic, and with no doubts.


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    Default Re: Salatul tasbeeh

    Quote Originally Posted by Straightpath View Post

    I dont know but if my mother asked me id recommend she follow something proven, totally authentic, and with no doubts.
    Example?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taliban View Post
    Example?
    Qiyam/Shafi' wal Witr, Dhuha prayers, Al Sunan Al Rawatib, reading Qur'aan, authentic Dhikr prayers etc.


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    Default Re: Salatul tasbeeh

    Quote Originally Posted by Straightpath View Post
    There is great dispute on the authenticity of this hadeeth.
    not great, but few.
    Quote Originally Posted by Straightpath View Post
    Imam Ahmad also didnt accept this hadeeth.
    He changed his view and accepted it later as mentioned by ibn hajar(rh)
    Quote Originally Posted by Straightpath View Post
    Imam Malik and Abu Haneefah and Al Shafi'i and others, never heard of it at all.
    didnt mention doesnt mean never heard and it also doesnt mean that it didnt exist.

    some says: .'look brother although the hadeeth is Saheeh, none of the Salaf (pious predecessors) practiced it.' (though it has been prayed by abdullah ibn mubarak and so on)

    The answer to this is that if the hadeeth is authentic, we should immediately put it into practice regardless of the fact if somebody did it before you or not...the proof of this is as follows: Imam ash-Shafi'ee said in his book 'Ar-Risalah': Umar b. Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, used to rule that the diyah (blood money) for the thumb, was 15 camels; but when he found the letter of Aal-Amr b. Hazm, and in which a hadeeth was mentioned: 'For every finger there are 10 camels.' He immediately put this hadeeth into practice...

    Imam Ash-Shafi'ee said, 'They didn't practice what was in the letter of Aal-Hazm until it was affirmed that it was an authentic letter from the Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention.'

    Al-Albani, may Allah have mercy on him, said: 'From this hadeeth we take two very important things, that we should accept the hadeeth once it is deemed authentic, even if nobody practiced it before you...'

    Besides this...it has been authentically reported that some of the Salaf practiced it, such as Ibn al-Mubarak!

    Secondly, if you put this hadeeth into practice, which is regarded by some as bid'ah you would be reviving a Sunnah of the Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, and whoever revives a Sunnah of the Prophet, would receive its reward and the reward of whomever practices it till the Day of Resurrection....Allahu Akbar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Last edited by abulayl; 15-08-2011 at 05:21 AM.


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