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    Question The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?



    The Tijani order, famous in Africa, has got in its daily wird a certain du'a called "jawharat-ul-kamal" whose wordings, we are convinced, are not right. This du'a is supposed to be even more rewarding than Salat Al-fatih, another du'a trademark of this order, which is not the subject here please.

    Can any scholar or learned one say if these wordings are wrong or not according to shari'ah :

    اللهم صل وسلم على عين الرحمة الربانية والياقوتة المتحققة الحائطة بمركز الفهوم والمعاني ونور الأكوان المتكونة الآدمي صاحب الحق الرباني البرق الأسطع بمزون الأرباح المالئة لكل متعرض من البحور والأواني ونورك اللامع الذي ملأت به كونك الحائط بأمكنة المكاني اللهم صل وسلم على عين الحق التي تتجلى منها عروش الحقائق عين المعارف الأقوم صراطك التام اللهم صل وسلم على طلعة الحق بالحق الكنز الأعظم افاضتك منك اليك احاطة النور المطلسم صلى الله عليه وعلى آله صلاة تعرفنا بها اياه

    O Allah, bestow your benedictions and your peace upon the source of the divine mercy and
    the veritable diamond that is enclosed in the citadel of every understanding and meaning
    and the light of the creatures becoming human beings, the owner of the lordly truth, the
    brightest flash of lightning going through the beneficial rain clouds that fills every water
    channels, vast oceans and smaller, and your shining light which fills the existence and
    encompasses every place.

    My humble advice to my brothers around the world is to avoid any du'a that has some ambiguous words, and never rely on "visions" you might get.

    May Allah guide us on true tawhid, aameen.

    Last edited by bugmenot; 13-09-2011 at 08:15 PM.


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    Default Re: The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bugmenot View Post




    I did not know two threads would suffice to you to label me as such.
    Anyways thanks for the mocking, appreciated.

    Now if you don't have information to provide on this subject, you are free to remain silent.
    sorry bruv, i'll delete my original comment.

    apologies.
    Storms brewing.......................


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    Default Re: The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bugmenot View Post


    whose wordings, we are convinced, are not right. This du'a is supposed to be even more rewarding than Salat Al-fatih, another du'a trademark of this order, which is not the subject here please.

    Can any scholar or learned one say if these wordings are wrong or not according to shari'ah :


    May Allah guide us on true tawhid, aameen.

    respected brother. Hope you are well.

    Are you a scholar?
    If you are not one, it would be advisable for you to make a sincere tawba for what you have written...
    Your words that I've left in the quote, imply many things...

    The bolded part implies that reading the du'a amounts to Shirk.
    Does you or anyone else have a confusion about the meaning of "Shirk".

    Forgive me for not having much time to explain to you matters, but if you write to me in private and are well intentioned in your attempt to understand, I can attempt to explain to you in words you can understand.

    May Allah Ta'alaa protect both you and I from false accusations of any sort, and especially those of Shirk...the warning of Nabee SAW about the matter is such that it makes someone who has understood the reality of Imaan and Kufr shiver.

    With love and affection.

    Mukhtar


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    Default Re: The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?

    , I am fine, hope the same for you.

    You got it wrong nowhere did I imply that but if you want the full story : I just witnessed possession cases from Africans (who by the way happen to be tijani and reading this du'a), with some engaged in evident shirk (not related to the du'a); and according to the 'Aamil treating them (he's got his proofs which I'm not going to present here) this jawharat-ul-kamal is highly suspicious especially the underlined portion.
    In short, my writing skills are not structured thus my ending du'a is unrelated to the jawharat al kamal.

    But although I've got my opinion on the jawharat I'm waiting for a shar'i ruling on it to potentially warn brothers.

    Last edited by bugmenot; 11-06-2013 at 05:11 PM.


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    Default Re: The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bugmenot View Post
    , I am fine, hope the same for you.

    You got it wrong nowhere did I imply that

    In short, my writing skills are not structured thus my ending du'a is unrelated to the jawharat al kamal.

    But although I've got my opinion on the jawharat I'm waiting for a shar'i ruling on it to warn our brothers.



    We ask Allah Ta'alaa to make every action of ours for His sake, our writing, talking, as well as our silence...

    What you wrote above as an explanation is senseless.

    It is not my habit or desire to be harsh.
    Anyone who reads your two posts will see that you are incoherent, it would have been appropriate for you to take a step back and delete your post or humbly ask for an explanation.

    Here is one proof to encourage you towards caution-there is no need, neither do I honestly have enough time available to give you a detailed Shari'a explanation; if you are not a scholar, you can not understand the explanation; but you may ponder over this:

    Hazrat Sheikh (Maulana Zakariyyah) RA, when compiling Awjazul Masalik for the first time, was in Egypt, and he used to spend a good portion of his time as the guest of Sh Muhammad Al Hafiz Al Misri, who is a major Egyptian Tijani 'aalim who passed away in the early 80s-he was a muhaddith. When over at his place, Hazrat Sheikh RA and Ml Abdul Hafeez Makki (who related this story to me in Makka Mukarramah a little less than a year ago), used to make muzaakara with him about tasawwuf and hadith.

    If we accept what you say about the Jawharatul Kamal, then Hazrat Sheikh has been hypocritical in his attitude and associated with a person involved in Shirk. If we go further and use the rulings of the fuqaha, it is known that "Satisfaction with kufr is kufr". So Hazrat Sheikh was satisfied with the Shirk of this person, since he spend time with him and made muzaakara of tasawwuf and hadith...

    I will let you chose what the conclusion about Hazrat Sheikh RA is....

    Tell the 'Aamil who finds the Jawharatul Kamal suspicious, that all he has to do to protect himself from that suspicion, is to avoid reading it. You may suggest to him to review the writings of the 'ulama on falsely accusing someone of Shirk...


    Mukhtar


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    Default Re: The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?



    I'm only asking scholars or learned ones if they find anything wrong with this du'a, if you're not either of these then your entry is not useful to my thread.

    I'm in no mood of debating, if you didn't get my senseless post I cannot help you understand it.
    But you are free to open another thread about "Bugmenot's senseless posts and ferocious attack of my tariqa" I'll be glad not to participate; I just hate when we go off-topic so please open a new thread about my post but not here. If a du'a that asks Allah to grant us understanding of tawheed itches you I cannot help you, neither if you think my du'a implies that anybody reciting jawharat is committing open shirk. In fact you should gladly say aameen, just like your du'a does not imply I'm not doing everything for His sake or...

    Your story about Shaykh Zakariya () is fascinating but I don't know what this has to do here; people also use this sort of arguments to prove Deobandis 'ulama endorsed Shaykh Muhammad 'alawi's work because the latter praised the former's Awjaz al-Masalik ila Muwatta’ Imam Malik and that they met each other.

    The 'Aamil is himself from Maliki tradition and knows arabic & islamic stuffs more than me, he needs not advices from a poor guy like me.


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    Default Re: The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bugmenot View Post


    I'm only asking scholars or learned ones if they find anything wrong with this du'a, if you're not either of these then your entry is not useful to my thread.


    The 'Aamil is himself from Maliki tradition and knows arabic & islamic stuffs more than me, he needs not advices from a poor guy like me.
    Brother budgmenot,

    Let's keep it to this in shaa Allah; if the 'ulama on the forum participate on the thread, I will reply to them in shaa Allah. If any of them find something wrong with Jawhratul Kamal, we will be happy to refute them politely and firmly.

    You have not asked if there was sth wrong with the du'a, you affirmed that there was something wrong, and needed further proof for your assumption, so you asked the learned ones to assist you in finding such proof. You should have first asked yourself if your knowledge or understanding was maybe limited. You then showed that your intelligence is highly deficient through your contradicting posts. We ask Allah Ta'alaa to grant us and you intelligence and foresight.

    Ask a secondary school student (14 to 16yrs old) to read your post and explain to you what you wrote.

    May Allah Ta'alaa make you the means of freeing many people from Shirk.


    Mukhtar

    P.S: THE FACT THAT THE THREAD ABOUT SH MUHAMMAD ALAWI AL MALIKI WAS NOT DELETED DESERVES ATTENTION FROM THE MODS.


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    Default Re: The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?

    I am convinced there is something wrong with the du'a, but I do not pass a fatwa, so until I do not have any solid backing from scholars I agree that my opinion is of no value. How hard is it to understand? Even primary school students (6 to 10yrs old here) would get it.
    Even if I erred in my explications why do you persist in your off-topic comments ? As I said open a new thread & don't pollute the thread.
    And indeed my intelligence is deficient, may be as deficient as your knowledge of the forum since you did not notice that the one who started the thread on Sh Muhammad Alawi Al-Maliki is a moderator !


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    Default Re: The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bugmenot View Post

    Can any scholar or learned one say if these wordings are wrong or not according to shari'ah :

    اللهم صل وسلم على عين الرحمة الربانية والياقوتة المتحققة الحائطة بمركز الفهوم والمعاني ونور الأكوان المتكونة الآدمي صاحب الحق الرباني البرق الأسطع بمزون الأرباح المالئة لكل متعرض من البحور والأواني ونورك اللامع الذي ملأت به كونك الحائط بأمكنة المكاني اللهم صل وسلم على عين الحق التي تتجلى منها عروش الحقائق عين المعارف الأقوم صراطك التام اللهم صل وسلم على طلعة الحق بالحق الكنز الأعظم افاضتك منك اليك احاطة النور المطلسم صلى الله عليه وعلى آله صلاة تعرفنا بها اياه
    Salam Aleykum,

    What the heck is this? I don't get a word they're saying, can't they make their Du'ah easier so that people can memorize it and understand it?
    إن كان حب آل البيت رفضا فليشهد الثقلان إني رافضي


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    Default Re: The Tijani du'a : "jawharat-ul-kamal" ?

    ,
    Many tijanis also believe the Prophet assist to 7th lecture of this du'a and they lay a white thawb in the centre of their circle to welcome him.

    I've added a translation to it.
    Last edited by bugmenot; 13-09-2011 at 08:26 PM.


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