what are the main deobandi beliefs regarding the prophet muhammad s.a.w?

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

what are the main deobandi beliefs regarding the prophet muhammad s.a.w?

jazakallah

[Badrud_Duja]

Is the Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wasalaam) Hazir Nazir?

It is incorrect to believe that the Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wasalaam) has the ability to be present everywhere. Rather, Allah (Subhanah WaTa’ala) is the only One who has the ability to witness all things at one time. To believe the Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) is Hazir Nazir is completely disrespectful to Allah (Subhanah WaTa’ala) and the Prophet (SaAllahu Alahi Wassalaam).

For example, some have the belief that the Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) actually attends gatherings where Durood is recited upon him Rather, the correct belief is that the Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) is informed of our actions and Salaams are conveyed to him through angels, not that he actually comes to the gatherings. It is mentioned in Hadith by the Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam)

حدثنا محمد بن يوسف ثنا سفيان عن عبد الله بن السائب عن زاذان عن عبد الله بن مسعود قال قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم : ان لله ملائكة سياحين في الأرض يبلغوني عن أمتي السلام (سنن الدارمي 2/409؛ عربي)

The Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) said: “Verily, Allah has angels that travel the Earth and convey my Ummah’s salutations to me” (al-Darami)



عن ابن مسعود أيضا عن النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم قال: (حياتي خير لكم تحدثون ويحدث لكم ووفاتي خير لكم تعرض علي أعمالكم فما رأيت من خير حمدت الله وما رأيت من شر استغفرت الله لكم) رواه البزار بإسناد جوده الحافظ العراقي وصححه الحافظ الهيثمي والجلال السيوطي والشهاب القسطلاني (الأحاديث المنتقاة، ص 91؛ جوامع الكلم)

The Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) said: "My life is good for you [since] you commit acts and its verdicts are given to you [through me]. And my death is [also] good for you [since] your deeds are presented to me. I praise Allāh for the good I see and I ask Him for your forgiveness for the evil I see" (al-Ahādīth al-Muntaqāh)

These two Ahadith clearly show that our Salaams and actions are presented to the Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) through angels, not that he actually comes to the gatherings. Therefore, it will be incorrect to believe that the Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) is Hazir Nazir.



Is the Prophet (SaAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) Alim ul-Ghayb?


The Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) was given knowledge of many things of the unseen, yet his knowledge was still limited. The ability to have complete knowledge of everything is the characteristic of Allah (Subhanah WaTa’ala) alone and no one else. This is proven through many Ayaat of the Quran a few of them are as follows:



قُل لاَّ يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ (النمل: 65)

Say: “None in the Heavens and the earth knows the Ghayb (Unseen) except Allah” (Quran 27: 65)



قُل لاَّ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَآئِنُ اللَّهِ وَلا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ(الانعام: 50)

Say (O Muhammad SalAllahu Alahi Wassalam): I do not tell that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor (that) I know the Unseen (Quran 6: 50)



قُل لاَّ أَمْلِكُ لِنَفْسِي نَفْعًا وَلاَ ضَرًّا إِلاَّ مَا شَاء اللَّهُ وَلَوْ كُنتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لاَسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ(الاعراف:188)

Say (O Muhammad SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam): “I possess no power over benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the Ghayb (Unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. (Quran 7: 188)



وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لاَ يَعْلَمُهَا إِلاَّ هُوَ(الانعام: 59)

And with Him (Allah) are the keys of the Ghayb (all that is hidden), none knows them but He (Allah). (Quran 6: 59)



Clearly, these aayaat prove that no one other than Allah (Subhana WaTa’ala) has the knowledge of the Ghayb. Furthermore, in one incident, Aishah (Radhi Allahu Anhaa) was falsely accused of indecency and, thus, the Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) was worried for a long period of time. Until Allah (Subhanah WaTa’ala) sent down the Wahy to inform him of the truth. If he was knowledgeable of the Ghayb, then he would have known the reality of the situation. Many other instances, besides this one, have clearly shown that the beloved Prophet (SalAllahu Alahi Wassalaam) did not have knowledge of the Ghayb.

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

brother

you sound a very knowledgable person, moulana you probably know that when a mother is preganant angels come and turn the child from one side to the other, allah dosent do this himself angels do this, does this astagfirullah mean that allah is not haazir and naazir no it dosent the same principle applies with the prophet muhammad s.a.w the fact that angels listen to the durood is proof of how beloved the prophet muhammad s.a.w is to allah and all other makhlooqat, that is why angels are commanded by allah to convey the durood to the prophet themselves.

brother regarding ilm e ghaib , the difference between the ilm e ghaib of the prophet muhammad s.a.w and allah is that
the prophet ilm e ghaib is given by allah whereas allah ilm is not given by no one
the prophet muhammad s.a.w ilm e ghaib can be further developed whereas allah subhanahuwataala ilm e ghaib is complete

brother you mentioned a hadith regarding aishah radiallah hu anha, the fact is that prophet muhammad s.a.w new the truth but there was hikmah behind this as they is hikmah behind everything that the prophet muhammad s.a.w does,
moulana every deobandi alim i speak to brings up the aishah r.a incident but i think to myself what about the hundreds of other hadith that prove that the prophet s.a.w does have ilm e ghaib such as when the prophet s.a.w told hazrat umar r.a and hazrat ali r.a about hazrat awais qarni r.a, he mentioned all the signs and the way he r.a looked when he hadnt even met him, the fcat that he told hazrat umar r.a and hazrat ali proves that he had knowledge of the unseen as he never told hazrat abu bkar or hazrat uthman because he knew that they would never meet him, there are many more evidences , you know better as you are a alim

jazakallah khair

[abuhajira]

brother

you sound a very knowledgable person, moulana you probably know that when a mother is preganant angels come and turn the child from one side to the other, allah dosent do this himself angels do this, does this astagfirullah mean that allah is not haazir and naazir no it dosent the same principle applies with the prophet muhammad s.a.w the fact that angels listen to the durood is proof of how beloved the prophet muhammad s.a.w is to allah and all other makhlooqat, that is why angels are commanded by allah to convey the durood to the prophet themselves.

The contention in the above issue is that with regards to Durood we have ahadeeth which prove it. While in relation to Istimdad there is no substantiation. In most cases the istidlaal is very stretchy.

brother regarding ilm e ghaib , the difference between the ilm e ghaib of the prophet muhammad s.a.w and allah is that
the prophet ilm e ghaib is given by allah whereas allah ilm is not given by no one

Ilmul Ghaib is a specific quality of Allah. This quality is something Allah has made himself distinct with Himself in the Quran. If it is not, then we would require Sareeh ahadeeth which will establish otherwise.

the prophet muhammad s.a.w ilm e ghaib can be further developed whereas allah subhanahuwataala ilm e ghaib is complete

"Ilmul Ghaib" term is specifically encompassing of all knowledge of everything. That is the general connotation of Ilm in this term. Hence its attribution to someone establishes its completeness for that mausoof. The whole dispute in the two camps if whether this knowledge of Rasulullah is complete or incomplete. If it is incomplete then having incomplete knowledge is no special quality. Everyone one has partial knowledge. In this case even the deobandies believe that Rasulullah has the greatest of knowledge in the makhluq.

brother you mentioned a hadith regarding aishah radiallah hu anha, the fact is that prophet muhammad s.a.w new the truth but there was hikmah behind this as they is hikmah behind everything that the prophet muhammad s.a.w does,

Isnt this hikma argument taken from the shias who say that Sayiduna Ali r.a knew all along that the selection of Sayiduna Abu Bakr r.a, Sayiduna Umar r.a, and Sayiduna Uthman r.a was incorrect but due to hikmah he never disclosed. The same is said by those ghaali shias who say Sayiduna Ali r.a practiced this hikma in hiding the mistake of Gibraeel a.s of taking Nabuwah to Rasulullah instead of Sayiduna Ali r.a.

In anycase, it does not befit a Nabi to make kitmaan (conceal) the truth in this manner. To even suggest this as a response there has to be some substantiation from Sareeh evidences.

moulana every deobandi alim i speak to brings up the aishah r.a incident but i think to myself what about the hundreds of other hadith that prove that the prophet s.a.w does have ilm e ghaib such as when the prophet s.a.w told hazrat umar r.a and hazrat ali r.a about hazrat awais qarni r.a, he mentioned all the signs and the way he r.a looked when he hadnt even met him, the fcat that he told hazrat umar r.a and hazrat ali proves that he had knowledge of the unseen as he never told hazrat abu bkar or hazrat uthman because he knew that they would never meet him, there are many more evidences , you know better as you are a alim

jazakallah khair

This is also lack of understanding of the mas'ala. No deobandi has denied that Rasulullah doesnt have knowledge from the ghaib. After all he is a nabi. A nabi is someone who give information from the ghaib which is revealed onto him. So obviously he had been given some knowledge of the ghaib. The issue is whether he was given complete knowledge or not. If you say that he was given complete knowledge, then to disprove that stance all we need is to present ONE incident which shows sarahatan that he did not know of something. affirmation of one such incidents disproved of Ilmul kull.

Secondly such snippets from the ghaib as you mentioned in the example is disgracing Rasulullah status since even Umar r.a exclaimed on the pulpet to the army about the enemy behind the mountain. If such kashf could be given to Sahabi, then badaraja oola Nabi is entitled to them. Having said that no one here denies that Allah gives knowledge from ghaib to Rasulullah .

Under the same chapter we also have the ayah which mentions that non has the keys to the ghuyub:

{وَعِنْدَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لَا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلَّا هُوَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِنْ وَرَقَةٍ إِلَّا يَعْلَمُهَا وَلَا حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْأَرْضِ وَلَا رَطْبٍ وَلَا يَابِسٍ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مُبِينٍ} [الأنعام: 59]

This is the same Mafateeh Ghaib which Rasulullah mentions

4627 - حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ العَزِيزِ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ سَعْدٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ سَالِمِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ: " {مَفَاتِحُ الغَيْبِ} [الأنعام: 59] خَمْسٌ: (إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِنْدَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنْزِلُ الغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الأَرْحَامِ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ) "
[صحيح البخاري 6/ 56]

and then Hazrat Ayesha r.a mentions in Sahih Muslim

وَمَنْ زَعَمَ أَنَّهُ يُخْبِرُ بِمَا يَكُونُ فِي غَدٍ، فَقَدْ أَعْظَمَ عَلَى اللهِ الْفِرْيَةَ، وَاللهُ يَقُولُ: {قُلْ لَا يَعْلَمُ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللهُ} [النمل: 65]
[صحيح مسلم 1/ 159]

[yousaf21]

Brother, You were talking about 'moulana'

Abuhajira is one .

[Badrud_Duja]

I'm not a maulana, I've just got the answers to your questions from the askimam website run by Mufti Ibrahim Desai of South Africa.

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

ok brother have you got any answers to my last post

jazakallah

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

why do deobandis try to find ways that makes the status of the prohet s.a.w lower than it is. you disagree that the prophet is haazir and naazir, you say has ilm e ghayb than anyone can have etc. why??

and what is your belief on noor or bashr?

jazakallah

[irfan@tabligh]

The deobandis dont decrease the status of the prophet but keep it the same as it was in his time, its jsut a shame ahmed raza khan had deviant beliefs and views and the prophet is bashr Say O Prophet of ALLAH ! : I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your God is One God : whoever expects to meet his Lord,let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner [Surah Al-Kahf verse:110]

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

brother this ayah you have quoted i would like to elaborate: the reason why allah told the prophet s.a.w to say this was because the prophets who came before were mistakenly taken as god as when one person done the hifz of the towrah they claimed he was god, when isa alayhislam cured people from blindness some people made him god some made him son of god, because of this allah told the prophet s.a.w to say this so people do not mistake him as a god or son of god.

brother bashara also means skin in arabic so if we take this meansing we see that the profit s.a.w skin is like bashr but in truth inside he s.a.w is noor. that is why the prophet s.a.w could fast for long periods and when asked how he said allah feeds me , the ulama have said that he did not used to get fed he used to see allah and do ziyarah of allah and in this status his thirst and hunger would go

this is the true meaning of this ayah it is a shame that ashraf ali thanvi belives that prophet muhammad s.a.w is an ordinary man just like himself astagfirullah