what are the main deobandi beliefs regarding the prophet muhammad s.a.w?

[zuby13]

SMD is right in what he is saying

It is a requirement of the Holy Quran to show respect on the Meelad of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Allah Ta'ala says: "In the bounty of Allah Almighty and His Mercy, in that, let them rejoice, that is better than the wealth they accumulate". (Surah Yunus: 58) Almighty Allah had ordered us to rejoice on His Mercy and Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the greatest Mercy of Allah Ta�ala to all the Worlds.

In the time of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), the period of the Sahabah and in the period of the Tabi'in, Meelad was not celebrated as it is done in the present form. But the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), Sahabah or Tabi'in did not prohibit it as well. This is an accepted principle of Shari'ah that the performance of something is proof of Jawaaz (permissibility), and not doing it is NOT the proof of its prohibition.

The Meelad celebration is not compulsory. It is Mustahab (recommended). Imam Jalaaluddin Suyuti (radi Allahu anhu) said that it is Mustahab for us to celebrate Meelad of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) as to thank Allah. (Ruhul Bayaan)

Here you go again, repeating the same things over and over. I have read all your posts, you make no sense at all. Everybody here has given you enough proofs, yet you act ignorant. brother, seriously..all this debating won;t do u any good. Instead spend that time doing worship. You love nabi saw so much that you celebrate his bday, then why dont you follow his sunnah and stay away from useless argumentation. Please, give yourself a break.

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

Here you go again, repeating the same things over and over. I have read all your posts, you make no sense at all. Everybody here has given you enough proofs, yet you act ignorant. brother, seriously..all this debating won;t do u any good. Instead spend that time doing worship. You love nabi saw so much that you celebrate his bday, then why dont you follow his sunnah and stay away from useless argumentation. Please, give yourself a break.

So when you have no answers you result to talking about people having breaks and there is no argument etc. This proves that you are wrong , i would like to request something can i talk to one of your scholars on thier own , as i want to get some things clarified, is that possible?

[Sulaiman84]

... i would like to request something can i talk to one of your scholars on thier own , as i want to get some things clarified, is that possible?

The last time one of your own challenged a scholar on this forum, he ended up using foul language and academically embarrassing himself.

He also began with sayings things like, "Do you believe xyz?", "I want to understand some things about xyz issue" "I want to get some things clarified"

He ended up using foul language, telling everyone what they believed and made takfir across the forum.

You gonna do that too?

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

The last time one of your own challenged a scholar on this forum, he ended up using foul language and academically embarrassing himself.

He also began with sayings things like, "Do you believe xyz?", "I want to understand some things about xyz issue" "I want to get some things clarified"

He ended up using foul language, telling everyone what they believed and made takfir across the forum.

You gonna do that too?

No i am not going to do that as long as i dont get attacked by people on this forum, but i want to speak to the scholar alone.

[xs11ax]

No i am not going to do that as long as i dont get attacked by people on this forum, but i want to speak to the scholar alone.

post in the sensetive section.

[Sulaiman84]

No i am not going to do that as long as i dont get attacked by people on this forum, but i want to speak to the scholar alone.

You could use the search engine, these issues have been discussed many times on the forum, from so many different angles.

An easier way is just to look at the post history of SMD.

[rafaybaloch]

Assalam-O-Alikum All, First of all let me clear that I am not a bralvi, deobandi, ahlehadith etc I am simply a muslim, next I have been researching regarding the ikhtilaaf of Bralvi and Debobandi's for a year now. Every thing revolves around Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H being a Noor or Bashar. If we believe that he is a bashar than we also need to believe that he did not posses ILM-GAIB and we will also need to believe that he is not Hazir-O-Nazir, So before talking about Eid-UL-Milad Ul Nabi and other issues, I would like to talk about Noor OR BASHAR.

There is a common verse quoted by Bralvi's , when proving that RASOOL is NOOR-RUMIN-NOORILLAH.

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'O people of the Book! Undoubtedly, Our Messenger has come to you who makes clear to you much of that which you had hidden in the Book and pardons much. Undoubtedly, there has come to you from Allah a light and a Book, luminous."

According to them the Noor or light here is referred to Muhammad SAW, Now here is why Noor here does not means Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H

First Reason:
The Noor here means the Holy Quran, because Quran is a source of Hadiyah. It means that Quran is a book too and a Noor (light) of guidance.

Second Reason:

If you read the complete Ayah, you find that Allah has mentioned Prophet P.B.U.H in the previous ayah, If Noor here is Prophet P.B.U.H, then why did Allah mention him in the previous Ayah.

Now here is Surah Kaif's 110th Ayah, which clearly explains that RASOOL SAW was a bashar not a Noor.

قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ مِثْلُكُمْ يُوحَى إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ فَمَنْ كَانَ يَرْجُو لِقَاءَ رَبِّهِ فَلْيَعْمَلْ عَمَلا صَالِحًا وَلا يُشْرِكْ بِعِبَادَةِ رَبِّهِ أَحَدًا

Allah says to His Messenger Muhammad ,
﴿قُلْ﴾
(Say) to these idolators who reject your message to them,
﴿إِنَّمَآ أَنَاْ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ﴾
(`I am only a man like you.) Whoever claims that I am lying, let him bring something like this that I have brought. For I did not know the Unseen, the matters of the past which you asked me about and I told you about, the story of the people of the Cave and of Dhul-Qarnayn, stories which are true -- I did not know any of this except for what Allah made known to me.

But bashar exactly not like us, Let me give you an example, Stone is also the one which is used to built up a road and stone is also the one that is more precious than any other stone i.e. Diamond, So we all are normal rocks and Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H is like a Diamond.

Quran Says that no two ayahs of Quran will contradict each other, By looking at both Ayah's which one do you find to be more descriptive, The first one of second one.

Some more refrences regarding the proof that Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H is a Bashar:

"WA MA MAN NA-AASA AYYUMINU IZ ZA AHUMUL HUDA ILLA AN QAALU AB ASALLAAHU BA SHA RAR RASOOLA"


TRANS: AUR NAHI MANA KIYA LOGON KO YAH KI IMAAN LAAYEN JIS WAQT AAYI UNKE PAAS HIDAYAT MAGAR YAH KI KAHA UNHONE BHEJA ALLAH NE AADMI KO PAIGHAM PAHUNCHAANE WAALA


(BANI ISRAEL 94)


PHIR ALLAH FARMATA HAI-

"KAH AGAR HOTE BEECH ZAMEEN KE FARISHTE CHALA KARTE ALBATTA UTAARTE HUM UPER UNKE AASMAAN SE FARISHTE KO PAIGHAM PAHUNCHANE WAALA KAHA UNHONE NAHI TUM YAH KI, BAND KARO HUM KO US CHEEZ SE KI IBAADAT KARTE BAAP HAMAARE TO LE AAO HAMAARE PAAS KHULI DALEEL"



PAIGHAMBARON NE APNI BASHARIYAT KA SABOOT DETE HUE ISTARAH KAHA HAI-


"UNKE RASOOLON NE(ISKE JAWAB ME) KAHA KI HUM BHI TUMHARE JAISE AADMI HI HAIN LEKIN ALLAH APNE BANDON ME SE JIS PAR CHAAHE EHSAAN KARE"


(IBRAHEEM 11)


ALLAH KA IRSHAAD HAI-


"AUR AAP UNKE SAAMNE EK KISSA MATLAB(EK BASTI WALON KA KISSA) US WAQT BAYAN KIJIYE JABKI US BASTI ME KAI RASOOL AAYE, YANI JAB HAMNE UNKE PAAS (PAHLE) DO KO BHEJA TO UN LOGON NE (PAHLE) DONO KO JHOOTA BATAYA PHIR TEESRE(RASOOL) SE MALUM KIYA TO UN TEENO NE KAHA KI HUM TUMHAARE PAAS BHEJE GAYE HAIN, UN LOGON NE KAHA TUM TO HAMARI TARAH MAAMOOLI AADMI HO"


(YASEEN 13-15)


EK AUR AYAT MULAHIZA HO


" TO UNKI QAWM ME JO KAFFIR RAEES(MAALDAAR) THEY WO KAHNE LAGE KI YAH INSAAN SIWAAY ISKE KI TUMHARI TARAH EK MAMOOLI AADMI HAI AUR KUCH NAHI ISKA MATLAB YAH HAI KI TUMSE BARTAR HOKAR RAHEN AUR ALLAH KO(RASOOL BHEJNA) MANJOOR HOTA TO FARISHTON KO BHEJTA, HAMNE YAH BAAT APNE PAHLE BADON ME NAHI SUNI, BAS YAH EK AADMI HAI JISE JUNOON HO GAYA HAI TO KHAAS WAQT TAK USKI HAALAT KA INTEZAAR KARO"


(MOMINUN 24-25)


AUR AAGE DEKHIYE


"BAS YAH TO TUMHARI TARAH EK (MAMOOLI) AADMI HAI, YE WAHI KHATE HAIN JO TUM KHAATE HO AUR WAHI PEETE HAIN JO TUM PEETE HO AUR AGAR TUM APNE JAISE EK (MAMOOLI) AADMI KE KAHNE PAR CHALNE LAGE TO BESHAQ TUM GHAATE ME HO"

(MOMINUN 33-34)


AUR EKA WAALON NE BHI HZ SHOAIB AS KO IS TARAH KAHA THA-

"AUR TUM BHI KYA HO SIWAAY HAMAARE JAISE EK AADMI KE AUR HAM TUMKO JHOOTON ME SAMJHTE HAIN"


(SHURA 186)



ALLAH KA IRSHAAD HAI


"AUR YE LOG MATLAB ZAALIM LOG(AUR KAFFIR) CHUPKE CHUPKE KAANAFOOSI KARTE HAI KI YAH(NABI SWS) SIRF TUM JAISE EK AADMI HAIN TO KYA TUM PHIR BHI JAADU(KI BAAT) SUNNE KO UNKE PAAS JAOGE JABKI TUM JAANTE HO"


(AMBIYA 3)


AUR ISKE JAWAB ME ALLAH KA IRSHAD HAI


"AUR HAMNE AAPSE PAHLE SIRF AADMIYON HI KO PAIGHAMBAR BANAYA JISKE PAAS HUM WAHIY BHEJA KARTE THEY TO(AIY INKAAR KARNE WALON) AGAR TUM KO(YAH BAAT) MALUM NA HO KITAAB WALON SE MALUM KAR LO"


(AMBIYA 7)


AUR ALLAH NE AAPKO HUQM DIYA KI YE KAHEN


"AAP KAH DIJIYE KI MAIN TO BAS TUMHARE JAISA HI INSAAN HUN MERE PAAS TO BAS EK WAHIY AATI HAI KI TUMHARA MABOOD EK HI MABOOD HAI"

Lastly if NOOR is afzal then why did Allah ordered the Angels bowed down to Hazrat Adam.

[ja alhaq]

Assalam-O-Alikum All, First of all let me clear that I am not a bralvi, deobandi, ahlehadith etc I am simply a muslim, next I have been researching regarding the ikhtilaaf of Bralvi and Debobandi's for a year now. Every thing revolves around Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H being a Noor or Bashar. If we believe that he is a bashar than we also need to believe that he did not posses ILM-GAIB and we will also need to believe that he is not Hazir-O-Nazir, So before talking about Eid-UL-Milad Ul Nabi and other issues, I would like to talk about Noor OR BASHAR.

There is a common verse quoted by Bralvi's , when proving that RASOOL is NOOR-RUMIN-NOORILLAH.

5_15.gif


'O people of the Book! Undoubtedly, Our Messenger has come to you who makes clear to you much of that which you had hidden in the Book and pardons much. Undoubtedly, there has come to you from Allah a light and a Book, luminous."

According to them the Noor or light here is referred to Muhammad SAW, Now here is why Noor here does not means Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H

First Reason:
The Noor here means the Holy Quran, because Quran is a source of Hadiyah. It means that Quran is a book too and a Noor (light) of guidance.

Second Reason:

If you read the complete Ayah, you find that Allah has mentioned Prophet P.B.U.H in the previous ayah, If Noor here is Prophet P.B.U.H, then why did Allah mention him in the previous Ayah.

Now here is Surah Kaif's 110th Ayah, which clearly explains that RASOOL SAW was a bashar not a Noor.

قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ مِثْلُكُمْ يُوحَى إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ فَمَنْ كَانَ يَرْجُو لِقَاءَ رَبِّهِ فَلْيَعْمَلْ عَمَلا صَالِحًا وَلا يُشْرِكْ بِعِبَادَةِ رَبِّهِ أَحَدًا

Allah says to His Messenger Muhammad ,
﴿قُلْ﴾
(Say) to these idolators who reject your message to them,
﴿إِنَّمَآ أَنَاْ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ﴾
(`I am only a man like you.) Whoever claims that I am lying, let him bring something like this that I have brought. For I did not know the Unseen, the matters of the past which you asked me about and I told you about, the story of the people of the Cave and of Dhul-Qarnayn, stories which are true -- I did not know any of this except for what Allah made known to me.

But bashar exactly not like us, Let me give you an example, Stone is also the one which is used to built up a road and stone is also the one that is more precious than any other stone i.e. Diamond, So we all are normal rocks and Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H is like a Diamond.

Quran Says that no two ayahs of Quran will contradict each other, By looking at both Ayah's which one do you find to be more descriptive, The first one of second one.

Some more refrences regarding the proof that Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H is a Bashar:

"WA MA MAN NA-AASA AYYUMINU IZ ZA AHUMUL HUDA ILLA AN QAALU AB ASALLAAHU BA SHA RAR RASOOLA"


TRANS: AUR NAHI MANA KIYA LOGON KO YAH KI IMAAN LAAYEN JIS WAQT AAYI UNKE PAAS HIDAYAT MAGAR YAH KI KAHA UNHONE BHEJA ALLAH NE AADMI KO PAIGHAM PAHUNCHAANE WAALA


(BANI ISRAEL 94)


PHIR ALLAH FARMATA HAI-

"KAH AGAR HOTE BEECH ZAMEEN KE FARISHTE CHALA KARTE ALBATTA UTAARTE HUM UPER UNKE AASMAAN SE FARISHTE KO PAIGHAM PAHUNCHANE WAALA KAHA UNHONE NAHI TUM YAH KI, BAND KARO HUM KO US CHEEZ SE KI IBAADAT KARTE BAAP HAMAARE TO LE AAO HAMAARE PAAS KHULI DALEEL"



PAIGHAMBARON NE APNI BASHARIYAT KA SABOOT DETE HUE ISTARAH KAHA HAI-


"UNKE RASOOLON NE(ISKE JAWAB ME) KAHA KI HUM BHI TUMHARE JAISE AADMI HI HAIN LEKIN ALLAH APNE BANDON ME SE JIS PAR CHAAHE EHSAAN KARE"


(IBRAHEEM 11)


ALLAH KA IRSHAAD HAI-


"AUR AAP UNKE SAAMNE EK KISSA MATLAB(EK BASTI WALON KA KISSA) US WAQT BAYAN KIJIYE JABKI US BASTI ME KAI RASOOL AAYE, YANI JAB HAMNE UNKE PAAS (PAHLE) DO KO BHEJA TO UN LOGON NE (PAHLE) DONO KO JHOOTA BATAYA PHIR TEESRE(RASOOL) SE MALUM KIYA TO UN TEENO NE KAHA KI HUM TUMHAARE PAAS BHEJE GAYE HAIN, UN LOGON NE KAHA TUM TO HAMARI TARAH MAAMOOLI AADMI HO"


(YASEEN 13-15)


EK AUR AYAT MULAHIZA HO


" TO UNKI QAWM ME JO KAFFIR RAEES(MAALDAAR) THEY WO KAHNE LAGE KI YAH INSAAN SIWAAY ISKE KI TUMHARI TARAH EK MAMOOLI AADMI HAI AUR KUCH NAHI ISKA MATLAB YAH HAI KI TUMSE BARTAR HOKAR RAHEN AUR ALLAH KO(RASOOL BHEJNA) MANJOOR HOTA TO FARISHTON KO BHEJTA, HAMNE YAH BAAT APNE PAHLE BADON ME NAHI SUNI, BAS YAH EK AADMI HAI JISE JUNOON HO GAYA HAI TO KHAAS WAQT TAK USKI HAALAT KA INTEZAAR KARO"


(MOMINUN 24-25)


AUR AAGE DEKHIYE


"BAS YAH TO TUMHARI TARAH EK (MAMOOLI) AADMI HAI, YE WAHI KHATE HAIN JO TUM KHAATE HO AUR WAHI PEETE HAIN JO TUM PEETE HO AUR AGAR TUM APNE JAISE EK (MAMOOLI) AADMI KE KAHNE PAR CHALNE LAGE TO BESHAQ TUM GHAATE ME HO"

(MOMINUN 33-34)


AUR EKA WAALON NE BHI HZ SHOAIB AS KO IS TARAH KAHA THA-

"AUR TUM BHI KYA HO SIWAAY HAMAARE JAISE EK AADMI KE AUR HAM TUMKO JHOOTON ME SAMJHTE HAIN"


(SHURA 186)



ALLAH KA IRSHAAD HAI


"AUR YE LOG MATLAB ZAALIM LOG(AUR KAFFIR) CHUPKE CHUPKE KAANAFOOSI KARTE HAI KI YAH(NABI SWS) SIRF TUM JAISE EK AADMI HAIN TO KYA TUM PHIR BHI JAADU(KI BAAT) SUNNE KO UNKE PAAS JAOGE JABKI TUM JAANTE HO"


(AMBIYA 3)


AUR ISKE JAWAB ME ALLAH KA IRSHAD HAI


"AUR HAMNE AAPSE PAHLE SIRF AADMIYON HI KO PAIGHAMBAR BANAYA JISKE PAAS HUM WAHIY BHEJA KARTE THEY TO(AIY INKAAR KARNE WALON) AGAR TUM KO(YAH BAAT) MALUM NA HO KITAAB WALON SE MALUM KAR LO"


(AMBIYA 7)


AUR ALLAH NE AAPKO HUQM DIYA KI YE KAHEN


"AAP KAH DIJIYE KI MAIN TO BAS TUMHARE JAISA HI INSAAN HUN MERE PAAS TO BAS EK WAHIY AATI HAI KI TUMHARA MABOOD EK HI MABOOD HAI"

Lastly if NOOR is afzal then why did Allah ordered the Angels bowed down to Hazrat Adam.

one simple question if the quran is noor then why does it say 'noor and a book' noor wa kitab' the quran has been ,mentioned clearly but what is the noor, indeed it is the prophet s.a.w.

TERAY NASLE PAAK MEIN HEIN BACHA BACHA NOOR KA, TU HEIN AIN E NOOR KA TERA SAB GHARANA NOOR KA

[imran1976]

the Kuffars are beating the hell out of Muslims , up down left right and we are still stuck with non issues - i don't know when this "Sas Bahu" dispute between Brelvis & Deobandis will end; at least I am fed up of this.

[mh16388]

the Kuffars are beating the hell out of Muslims , up down left right and we are still stuck with non issues - i don't know when this "Sas Bahu" dispute between Brelvis & Deobandis will end; at least I am fed up of this.