reading all these comments sadden me and just make me feel why bother with deobandis I can just stick with salafis/ahlal hadeeth. Im sad that your tarring all teh salafis with the same brush when many of them dont have any problems with you. Especially mercy mission, they always speak good of deobandis.
And no, I didnt breach the agreement by talking about tahir al qadri because the agreement is between deobandis and salafis, barelwis were not included and there is no harm refuting his likes and im sure deobandis and salafis are united upon that fact and should cooperate in refuting his ilk
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As for Mercy Mission, I know nothing about them, but the opening post seems to contradict what you are saying here.
If anyone disagrees with peoples attitudes, please speak up now as this thread has made me seriously reconsider somethings and I am hoping that some people will speak up who dont see things the same way who will give me hope for unity ratehr then me giving up on you guys and just sticking with mercy mission and al maghrib etc?
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As for your question regarding myself. I can honestly say YES, BY ALLAH, IF A SALAFI IS FOREVER SMASHING DEOBANDIS AND TALKING ABOUT SHAIKH SO AND SO OR AS SUFFA I WOULD SAY MA ASSALAAMA!!! WALLAHI BY ALLAH!!!
so its not only one directional. I spent a year with salafi publications and all they do is attack and refute people and it harmed my iman, I do not want to be around such people. The brothers from mercy mission are beautiful brothers who dont waste their time talking about people, I feel a great sense of spitiuality with them and brotherhood as they busy themselves with learning seerah, hadeeth, doing charity works, trying to call muslims back to practicing their deen. I dont like to be around the type of salafis who are harsh on those they dont agree with. I left them and even wrote a public retraction on this very forum after spending a long time on this forum arguiing with people, thanks to my experiences with mercy mission I changed a lot of my views and decided to work in common good, benefit from each other, encourage each other in righteousness, work in teh important matters like dawah to non muslims, callingmuslims away from brothels and night clubs and getting them to establish the salaah, loving you as my brothers and sisters for the sake of Allah. So the answer to your question is yes, I would leave them, and when the hardcore salafis had issue with me following hanafi fiqh in sheffield I didnt waste my time on them either but thankfully I attend mercy mission events where noone cares about it i make rafa al yadain or not and the instructors are constantly telling everyone not to look at how your brother is praying when you need to worry about yourself and you should stretch your legs out if your brother doesnt want to sit his ankles next to yours. wallahi their message is very tolerant and peaceful and all about love amongst the ummah of muhammad salallahu alayhi wassalam so you guys can decide for yourself, I advise you all to be just, but wallahi I will not want to be around people if they are sat their thinking im a deviant and that any efforts I make need to be refuted because I work with some "muqalideen" suposedly. im tired of seeing thread after thread againats places like al maghrib and mercy mission when they never once mention you on their forums:
Its your brothers and sisters choices but if I keep getting the same signals from you guys then its ma'asalaama from me and Allah will judge between us on the yawmil quiyama which side of the scales these actions of yours will fall on so think for yourself, do threads like these really gain nearness to Allah? Is this really helping you spritually as a person and devloping as a muslim and a member of the ummah of muhammad salallahu alayhi wassalam?
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seeing thread after thread againats places like al maghrib and mercy mission
Please provide evidence of this claim.
I am not familiar with Mercy Mission (is this UK only?) but with al-Maghrib, I know how they operate. The reason they do not mention Deobandis specifically is because Deobandis are just another pool for them to show a side of an issue, which is the Hanafi side. During its lectures on fiqh, for example, Al-Maghrib lecturers mention opinions from all scholars across the board and then they say that the evidence for this is stronger than the evidence for that - all based on their limited understanding. What they basically end up implying is that the scholars of a particular madhhab for centuries were too dumb or too blind to see the "stronger" opinion and were too biased for their madhhab to see what the stronger evidence was and that the al-Maghrib lecturers, somehow, are smarter than the combined intellect of the scholars of a madhhab to say which opinion is stronger than the other amongst the madhahib.
I have friends who are fanatics when it comes to al-Maghrib to such an extent that many of them now claim to not follow a madhhab but "follow a shaykh" only. Then, once you ask them why do you still do this according to this madhhab or that madhhab, they contend that they do not have knowledge and yet they are so adamant on saying that they do not follow a madhhab. For example, a friend of mine prays Witr according to the Hanafi way. Al-Maghrib has stated that it is not the strongest opinion of the scholars and the shaykh from al-Maghrib that this brother follows also does not pray this way. I thought he was just playing with words but then he trimmed his beard (note that his beard was halfway to fist length before he trimmed it down to less than half an inch in length). When I asked him why, he said his shaykh allows it. So, he trimmed his beard because his shaykh allows it but he does not pray the same way as his shaykh does? Does this not smack of fatwa shopping? He says he prays the only way he knows how or how he learned to pray and once he learns from al-Maghrib what the "proper" way is, he'll adopt that instead. Bear in mind that al-Maghrib is nowhere near a madrassa, yet many people who attend al-Maghrib programs come out thinking themselves to be knowledgeable to such an extent that they make major changes to the way they have been praying and what they have believed in without setting foot in a madrassa or speaking to non-al-Maghrib scholars.
ياايها الذين امنوا اذكروا الله ذكرا كثيرا
Maybe you can re-read my previous post and akabirofdeoband's post again so you can level things out.
Hearts are predisposed to love someone who does them good and to detest someone who does them harm.
- Shah Waliyyullah ad-Dihlawi's Arba'in
Bro, you are not seeing the difference between teaching what you consider to be the haqh and attacking fellow muslims. If I go to a deobandi madrassa I will be taught maturidi aqeedah, implying that the salaf were not knowledgable in aqeedah and needed aristotle and plato to come along and "rectify" the "deviations" in teh qur'an. This is using your logic
However, thankfully I dont follow your logic so I dont attack deobandis on that basis and I let them get on with their dawah and benefit from what I find beneficial and NEVER attack them and ALWAYS defend them.
Also, your friends position is correct, a layman makes taqleed of a shaikh, just as most of you do. Few hanafis actually study the hanafi madhab, most just make taqleed of scholars.
Your post showed more of an issue with you that it did with your friend as what is apparent is that your watching your friend to see how he prays and how he grows his beard and now are even talking about it online, when you should concern yourself with yourself and not be so angered at your friend following different oppinions to you. You sound like the deobandi version of a madkhali
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