beware of mercy mission and alkauthar.org

**e-student** · 03-10-2011, 05:22 AM

assalamu alaikum
i just read about an event host by mercymission in islamic events page
i m thinking to tell some true facts about them.
actually i took part in 1 their event and allahu akbar how they published their aqaid of ger muqallid in that event and cancelled all openion of 4 imams.
after that event,in question answer sesson i asked 1 question and gave proof of hanafi openion,the speaker didnt answer me and said we will talk onthis latter via mail and i didnt get any answer of mail yet.
mufti abu hajira or mufti husain haf. also told that they all r salafi in 1 thread.
so plz beware of them and instead of present event like this,must go in any speech in local masjid where u will get total sawab of aitikaf(when u sit in masjid with aitikaf niyat) and u will save ur money.

**Abu_Uzair** · 03-10-2011, 05:30 AM

mufti abu hajira or mufti husain haf. also told that they all r salafi in 1 thread.

here is that thread
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...t=bilal+ismail

**Abu_Uzair** · 03-10-2011, 07:25 AM

salafies use our scholar's name and their presence to attract ppl to their event

**AbuFatimah** · 03-10-2011, 01:57 PM

So in a nutshell, you advise to stay away from anything Salafi, even if they cooperate with you in good, help you, do a lot of good, as long as they are salafi in their understanding of teh religion, no matter how much good they do or how much they try to help you and work with you, you believe the only answer is boycotting and attacking them?

Does anyone else agree with this conclusion and does anyone disagree and believe that groups like mercy mission and al maghrib are ok due to their reaching out to and cooperating with deobandis and never attacking them and working in the good? Im very interested to see what others have to say as it saddens me to see you felt warning against mercy mission was your best use of time. they do a lot of good in a country where many muslim youth are in brothels and night clubs. I just went to teh bradford al kauthar course and teh pakistani community in bradford is very far away from islam, a lot of th eyouth drink and do drugs and go to prostitutes, its a shame you want to argue with a small group of well mannered practsiing and active muslims rather than working togetehr to rectify the masses who are falling furthera nd futehr away from islam. May allah guide us all

**TripolySunni** · 03-10-2011, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dawud Beale

So in a nutshell, you advise to stay away from anything Salafi, even if they cooperate with you in good, help you, do a lot of good, as long as they are salafi in their understanding of teh religion, no matter how much good they do or how much they try to help you and work with you, you believe the only answer is boycotting and attacking them?

Does anyone else agree with this conclusion and does anyone disagree and believe that groups like mercy mission and al maghrib are ok due to their reaching out to and cooperating with deobandis and never attacking them and working in the good? Im very interested to see what others have to say as it saddens me to see you felt warning against mercy mission was your best use of time. they do a lot of good in a country where many muslim youth are in brothels and night clubs. I just went to teh bradford al kauthar course and teh pakistani community in bradford is very far away from islam, a lot of th eyouth drink and do drugs and go to prostitutes, its a shame you want to argue with a small group of well mannered practsiing and active muslims rather than working togetehr to rectify the masses who are falling furthera nd futehr away from islam. May allah guide us all

He talks as if they're propagating Judaism.

**Abu_Uzair** · 03-10-2011, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dawud Beale

So in a nutshell, you advise to stay away from anything Salafi, even if they cooperate with you in good, help you, do a lot of good, as long as they are salafi in their understanding of teh religion, no matter how much good they do or how much they try to help you and work with you, you believe the only answer is boycotting and attacking them?

Does anyone else agree with this conclusion and does anyone disagree and believe that groups like mercy mission and al maghrib are ok due to their reaching out to and cooperating with deobandis and never attacking them and working in the good? Im very interested to see what others have to say as it saddens me to see you felt warning against mercy mission was your best use of time. they do a lot of good in a country where many muslim youth are in brothels and night clubs. I just went to teh bradford al kauthar course and teh pakistani community in bradford is very far away from islam, a lot of th eyouth drink and do drugs and go to prostitutes, its a shame you want to argue with a small group of well mannered practsiing and active muslims rather than working togetehr to rectify the masses who are falling furthera nd futehr away from islam. May allah guide us all

why you need their help?our many groups working on this field,those are not enough?
while they attack on 4 imams and oppose taqlid and muqallidin,so what reason to participate in their event?
agree or disagree with some one is not a big problem but while they oppose you and every time attacke on you,so which thing encourage you to participate with them?
afterall one br.just send me a video in which Dr.Zakir Naik one of their big gun Attack on Mufti ibne aadam

**e-student** · 03-10-2011, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Abu_Uzair

why you need their help?our many groups working on this field,those are not enough?
while they attack on 4 imams and oppose taqlid and muqallidin,so what reason to participate in their event?
agree or disagree with some one is not a big problem but while they oppose you and every time attacke on you,so which thing encourage you to participate with them?
afterall one br.just send me a video in which Dr.Zakir Naik one of their big gun Attack on Mufti ibne aadam

absoulutily right shaikh

**AbuFatimah** · 03-10-2011, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Abu_Uzair

why you need their help?

brother, did you read the part where I said teh vast majority of the youth are in brothels and nightclubs? We need to work togetehr for the better of the ummah and overlook minor differences inshAllah.

Mercy Mission NEVER attacks deobandis or the four imams, I was at a course by shaikh tawfique choudry where he said learn fiqh from deobandis, they never say anything bad about deobandi dawah although they might not agree on everythign but they never say dont go here, dont listen to so and so, so and so is a deviant, deobandi this deobandi that. They are allowed to disagree but at least they have akhlaaq. Surely tehre are deobandis who hold differing views to mercy mission and teachw hat they consider as haqh without attacking anyone else

**pluto** · 03-10-2011, 05:40 PM

wrwb.

hold on, no one's having problems with the community work they are doing, bro e-student here is only putting forth what he personally came across, at that event what was the need to even talk about the taqlid/non taqlid thing.

the problem here is not many people know the harm that can result in not doing taqlid (but that argument is for a different day and a different thread)

**Ruslan** · 03-10-2011, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dawud Beale

brother, did you read the part where I said teh vast majority of the youth are in brothels and nightclubs? We need to work togetehr for the better of the ummah and overlook minor differences inshAllah.

This is where Salafis really tick me off. MashaAllah the likes of Jamat brothers ACTIVELY seek out such individuals and make dawah, sacrifice time with their own family to support these people with their deen. And once this person makes an attempt to practice salah etc a Salafi will come along "yaani akhi why dont you do rafadain" and just brainwash and confuse these youngsters. Salafis talk a lot about unity on the back foot but their actions speak louder than their words and they do nothing but cause confusion in the youth and sow seeds of disrespect for classical Ulema.

Mercy Mission NEVER attacks deobandis or the four imams, I was at a course by shaikh tawfique choudry where he said learn fiqh from deobandis, they never say anything bad about deobandi dawah although they might not agree on everythign but they never say dont go here, dont listen to so and so, so and so is a deviant, deobandi this deobandi that. They are allowed to disagree but at least they have akhlaaq. Surely tehre are deobandis who hold differing views to mercy mission and teachw hat they consider as haqh without attacking anyone else

I was at a talk once at Green Lane where Abu Usama was expressing similar sentiments. And we all saw his true colours come out with respect to i.e. Imam Abu Hanifah RA which sparked backlash from our Ulema. See Hanafi Fiqh channel.

As I said, rosy words but thorny actions.