another thread on you-know-what!

[shakibbhat]

brother deobandis belive
1- the prophet was just a bashr e.g like us a human
2-they belive that the prophet had no knowledge of the unseen
3- they beileve the prophet s.a.w is not haazzir and naazir.
4- they dont belive it is permissable to sa YA RASULULLAH

brailvis beleive

1. the prophet s.a.w is noor and bashr
2. he has knowlesdge of the unseen which has been bestowed from allah
3. he s.a.w is haazir and naazir
4. we are allowed to say ya rasullah
5. belive in intercession waseela

the deobandi aqeedah has many disrespects towards the prophet s.a.w and although they disagree with the brailvi aqeedah they still cant find anything that shows disrespect to the prophet s.a.w , the deobandis believe that the prophet s.a.w is more like a ordinary human astagfirullah.

Even deobandi's believe in tawassul n it is the view of ahl sunnah wal jamah n lemme tell u that deobandi's do not disrespect the beloved prophet(saw). they hold him at a very high status.brother plz dont start a fight over here now because i saw u supporting the barelvi views inspite of their clear refutations n opposing the deobandi's in the best possible way u can.i dont know whether its out of sheer spite or what but i pray to Allah that he shows us the straight path.

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

The only shaytaan and sower of misguidance in this thread is you.

Why would I call a mubtadi' a Sunni?

All these issues have been dealt with in previous threads. In fact, some of these issues, when you brought them up in other threads, were soundly refuted in other threads but being the dishonest shaytaan you are, you are blissfully blind. There is no point in talking with you now that we know your true intentions. You take pride in your ignorance and sidestep issues and responses, saying that you do not understand. You even asked for a translation of an URDU scanned document...what kind of a kattar Barelvi doesn't know Urdu?

let me ask you something, listen carefully if your aqeedah is so clean why dont you have a debate with a sunni alim prefrebally pir syed irfan shah mashahdi and if you win i will become a deobandi, just because you think you are refuting me when your not dosent mean you are right ask someone more knowledgable WHY ARE TYOU SO SCARED , WHY AND DONT CALL ME A SHAYATEEN

[shakibbhat]

I can't believe i'm just starting a thread on this topic (deobandi's and berelvis). must have changed alot since i joined SF :P.

yeah, i know there's ALOT of threads on this subject but i can't stand being left in the dark and i can't understand all these debates on the forum... it's tooo complicated, lengthy and heated! so i'll really appreciate it if you guys can just tell me the basic differences and conflicts between the belief's of the deobandi's and berelvi's?
and... oh yes, i request everyone for a huge favour - please don't start fighting in this holy thread!!!

deobandi's express their love for prophet(saw) by following his sunnah while barelvi's express it by making bold claims n innovating stuff(like milad) rather than following the sunnah n theysupport their views by interpreting the hadiths in the wrong contextn rejecting hadiths which do not go down their throat.
May Allah save us from their fitna..

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

even deobandi's believe in tawassul n it is the view of ahl sunnah wal jamah n lemme tell u that deobandi's do not disrespect the beloved prophet(saw). They hold him at a very high status.brother plz dont start a fight over here now because i saw u supporting the barelvi views inspite of their clear refutations n opposing the deobandi's in the best possible way u can.i dont know whether its out of sheer spite or what but i pray to allah that he shows us the straight path.

brother if you clearly showed me evidences i would beleive but you reject one hadith and stick to another one that is the problem , and i put up eveidences you get aggressive and the whole thing goes somewher else

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

deobandi's express their love for prophet(saw) by following his sunnah while barelvi's express it by making bold claims n innovating stuff(like milad) rather than following the sunnah n theysupport their views by interpreting the hadiths in the wrong contextn rejecting hadiths which do not go down their throat.
May allah save us from their fitna..

what you said is false let me tell you the dirty adqqedah od the deobandias and if you can explian each one then i will go back to my masjid and try asking my teachers and i will see what they say

do you agree

[abdulwahhab]

let me ask you something, listen carefully if your aqeedah is so clean why dont you have a debate with a sunni alim prefrebally pir syed irfan shah mashahdi and if you win i will become a deobandi, just because you think you are refuting me when your not dosent mean you are right ask someone more knowledgable WHY ARE TYOU SO SCARED , WHY AND DONT CALL ME A SHAYATEEN

The purpose of shaytan is to create fitnah and lead people to hellfire. You have exposed that to be your purpose on this forum.

No one is asking you to become a Deobandi (whereas you seem to believe that only Barelvis will enter jannah and the rest of the ummah is a bunch of kuffaar). Our aqeedah is sound, regardless of what twisting you do with the words of our akabireen. For example, your claim that Deobandis disrespect Rasoolullah - guess what? The green dome over Rasoolullah still stands today because of a Deobandi - Mufti Shafi Usmani . More Muslims are acting like Muslims because of a Deobandi - Moulana Ilyas Kandhelvi . More respect is given to subcontinent scholars in matters of hadeeth and fiqh thanks to Deobandis. Deobandis must be such great "gustakh" of Rasoolullah that we cling to every single sunnah of his and favour his sunnahs over the bid'ahs that the Barelvis love so much. Why would anyone in their right mind go into doubtful matters when we have the sunnah? The major issue of contention between Sunnis and Barelvis is laxity in doubtful matters leading to shirk. Rasoolullah told us to choose the safer option when faced with either following something that may or may not be halal or to abstain from it. Barelvis see everything as mubah, rejecting sunnah. How can we call someone who rejects the sunnahs in favour of bid'ah to be a Sunni?

[mmb786]

mmb786,

I will not be answering SMD in detail here but I will address his points for your clarification. Inshallah I shall do that later on in evening inshAllah. for now I just have one ilzami jawab to SMD.

Yes when we articulate and see all the academia we do not find the disrespect which you talk about. How can we stoop to such level where we find no change in our gheerah to malign Ammi Ayesha r.a accusing her of disrespecting and lowering the status of Rasulullah Astaghfirullah!

InshAllah I will answer in detail later on.

will be waiting.

[Taliban1]

brother i was not accusing aisha r.a you misunderstood what i mean, i was saying that the hazrat umar hadith proves that he s.a.w had full im e ghayb, yet you still cling on to the aisha r.a hadith, why are you and let me reapeat you trying to lower the status of rsulullah, the aisha hadith has hikmah behind it quote the hadith and let me see it again

I logged in just to ask you two questions which you haven't answered before and you seem to avoid them.

1) Why don't you accept the hadith of Ummi Ayesha رضي الله عنها (my life qurban on her)?
2) If we go by your interpretation of the hadith, it would mean that Rasool Allah taught Sahaba how to make an atom bomb. Why didn't Sahaba make it?

Please learn some respect of Ummahaatul Momineen. What's the aisha hadith? Would u like it if someone says, the raza khan book?

[Taliban1]

Please refrain from calling anyone Shaytaan.

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

I logged in just to ask you two questions which you haven't answered before and you seem to avoid them.

1) Why don't you accept the hadith of Ummi Ayesha رضي الله عنها (my life qurban on her)?
2) If we go by your interpretation of the hadith, it would mean that Rasool Allah taught Sahaba how to make an atom bomb. Why didn't Sahaba make it?

Please learn some respect of Ummahaatul Momineen. What's the aisha hadith? Would u like it if someone says, the raza khan book?

i do respect the ummi aisha r.a hadith and i believe there is hikmah behind it.

do you reject the hadith of hazrat umar, if not it says clearly those who remembered wrote it down and those who never forgot it.