another thread on you-know-what!

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

The purpose of shaytan is to create fitnah and lead people to hellfire. You have exposed that to be your purpose on this forum.

No one is asking you to become a Deobandi (whereas you seem to believe that only Barelvis will enter jannah and the rest of the ummah is a bunch of kuffaar). Our aqeedah is sound, regardless of what twisting you do with the words of our akabireen. For example, your claim that Deobandis disrespect Rasoolullah - guess what? The green dome over Rasoolullah still stands today because of a Deobandi - Mufti Shafi Usmani . More Muslims are acting like Muslims because of a Deobandi - Moulana Ilyas Kandhelvi . More respect is given to subcontinent scholars in matters of hadeeth and fiqh thanks to Deobandis. Deobandis must be such great "gustakh" of Rasoolullah that we cling to every single sunnah of his and favour his sunnahs over the bid'ahs that the Barelvis love so much. Why would anyone in their right mind go into doubtful matters when we have the sunnah? The major issue of contention between Sunnis and Barelvis is laxity in doubtful matters leading to shirk. Rasoolullah told us to choose the safer option when faced with either following something that may or may not be halal or to abstain from it. Barelvis see everything as mubah, rejecting sunnah. How can we call someone who rejects the sunnahs in favour of bid'ah to be a Sunni?

as i said before dont try to compare me to the shaytaan and then you call us takfiris

why arent you answering my question, why dont you debate a knowledgebale alim of the brailvis on a national televison that way we can show the world who the real maslaq is , if not get one of you elders to debate, THERE IS NO DANGER IF YOUR MASLAQ IS CORRECT

[abdulwahhab]

Please refrain from calling anyone Shaytaan.

i do respect the ummi aisha r.a hadith and i believe there is hikmah behind it.

do you reject the hadith of hazrat umar, if not it says clearly those who remembered wrote it down and those who never forgot it.

The hadeeth from Umar does not talk about Rasoolullah being 'alim-ul-ghayb at all. Brother verdana, who is not a Deobandi, not from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh clearly pointed it out. On the other hand, the hadith from 'Aisha is clear as day.

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

mmb786,

I will not be answering SMD in detail here but I will address his points for your clarification. Inshallah I shall do that later on in evening inshAllah. for now I just have one ilzami jawab to SMD.

Yes when we articulate and see all the academia we do not find the disrespect which you talk about. How can we stoop to such level where we find no change in our gheerah to malign Ammi Ayesha r.a accusing her of disrespecting and lowering the status of Rasulullah Astaghfirullah!

InshAllah I will answer in detail later on.

dont close the thread after you have answered as i will have qestions to ask you after

[pluto]

I humbly request sister mmb not to take her Deeni ilm from the internet. Speak to a scholar / write who you know well or your people know well. Just my opinion. Or go to some verified websites of Scholars themselves.

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

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The hadeeth from Umar does not talk about Rasoolullah being 'alim-ul-ghayb at all. Brother verdana, who is not a Deobandi, not from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh clearly pointed it out. On the other hand, the hadith from 'Aisha is clear as day.[/QUOT

this is from a brailvi website
We find in a narration from the collection of Imam Bukhari :

Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) stood up in one meeting and he started to tell us about events from the beginning of this world to the end and he told us about heaven and hell and about the people who were going to hell and who were going to heaven and what will be their places in heaven and hell. Of course, some people remember what he told us and some people have forgotten.

(Bukhari, Chapter Bada-Ul-Khalq.)

if this is not evrything then what is , this is ilm e ghayb the future is ilm eghayb.

[mmb786]

wheeww BOY!!! so much for asking you guys to behave and keep things basic :P

What is tasawwul and are berelvis another word for bidatti's...?

[abdulwahhab]

as i said before dont try to compare me to the shaytaan and then you call us takfiris

why arent you answering my question, why dont you debate a knowledgebale alim of the brailvis on a national televison that way we can show the world who the real maslaq is , if not get one of you elders to debate, THERE IS NO DANGER IF YOUR MASLAQ IS CORRECT

Barelvis are takfeeris - are you denying this fact? You have already said that Deobandis are kaafir and that you won't pray behind us.

The reason I am not answering your question is because it is futile Many challenges have been issued for munaazira between Sunnis and Barelvis by Deobandis in Pakistan but the other party doesn't show up or celebrates premature victory.

Here are some munaaziras:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sfkIwKj_4w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-S3rsfGE_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcvSTmNRH5c

In the end, nothing changes for those whose hearts are closed.

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

this is from a brailvi wesbite and dont be scared the aqeedah is the same as mine

Imam Muslim writes that:

The Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) led the Fajr prayer and then sat on the pulpit, and until Zuhr he told the people of the things about the Unseen. After Zuhr, he sat on the pulpit and continued until Asar, then sat on the pulpit and continued until Maghrib prayer. He even informed of the dwellers of Paradise and Hell.

(Muslim chapter on Fadial).

Hafidhh ibn Hajar Asqalani in his famous commentary to Sahih Bukhari writes that:

What Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) told in that one meeting is a miracle of the Prophet and this should not be doubted.

[mmb786]

I humbly request sister mmb not to take her Deeni ilm from the internet. Speak to a scholar / write who you know well or your people know well. Just my opinion. Or go to some verified websites of Scholars themselves.

right i think so too, this is just more confusing. which websites are authentic on this topic...?

[abdulwahhab]

this is from a brailvi website
We find in a narration from the collection of Imam Bukhari :

Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) stood up in one meeting and he started to tell us about events from the beginning of this world to the end and he told us about heaven and hell and about the people who were going to hell and who were going to heaven and what will be their places in heaven and hell. Of course, some people remember what he told us and some people have forgotten.

(Bukhari, Chapter Bada-Ul-Khalq.)

if this is not evrything then what is , this is ilm e ghayb the future is ilm eghayb.

Here is brother verdana's reply:

Dear brother, your translation of that hadith is wrong. Mind you reading its original:

3228 - وَرَوَى عِيسَى عَنْ رَقَبَةَ عَنْ قَيْسِ بْنِ مُسْلِمٍ عَنْ طَارِقِ بْنِ شِهَابٍ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ عُمَرَ - رضى الله عنه - يَقُولُ قَامَ فِينَا النَّبِىُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم مَقَامًا ، فَأَخْبَرَنَا عَنْ بَدْءِ الْخَلْقِ حَتَّى دَخَلَ أَهْلُ الْجَنَّةِ مَنَازِلَهُمْ ، وَأَهْلُ النَّارِ مَنَازِلَهُمْ ، حَفِظَ ذَلِكَ مَنْ حَفِظَهُ ، وَنَسِيَهُ مَنْ نَسِيَهُ .

and then reflecting upon little bit more literal translation:

"Narrated 'Umar: [One day] the Prophet stood up amongst us for a long period and informed us about the beginning of creation till he mentioned how the people of Paradise will enter their places and the people of Hell will enter their places. Some remembered what he had said, and some forgot it."

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Now, please tell me which part of this hadith goes against anything?

He is not Deobandi. He is not desi from IndoPak. He is not Salafi or Wahhabi. He is a Hanafi from Turkey.

Deobandis do not deny that Rasoolullah was told all this but nowhere does it mention that he was told everything from the beginning of time to the end of it. If Rasoolullah did know about all of this, why would the sahaba not remember things like airplanes or nuclear bombs?

Imam Muslim writes that:

The Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) led the Fajr prayer and then sat on the pulpit, and until Zuhr he told the people of the things about the Unseen. After Zuhr, he sat on the pulpit and continued until Asar, then sat on the pulpit and continued until Maghrib prayer. He even informed of the dwellers of Paradise and Hell.

(Muslim chapter on Fadial).

Hafidhh ibn Hajar Asqalani in his famous commentary to Sahih Bukhari writes that:

What Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) told in that one meeting is a miracle of the Prophet and this should not be doubted.

This is also our aqeedah. Rasoolullah knew of the unseen what Allah revealed to him. There is not a single prophet that ever came who was not blessed with knowledge from the unseen. The level of knowledge given to Rasoolullah from the unseen is greater than every other prophet but to say that he knows everything about everything is going against Allah .