Refutation of Composite Nationalism by 'Allamah Zafar Ahmad al-'Uthmani

**At Tayyib** · 07-03-2012, 03:54 AM

No replies....

Anyways, lets move on. If one studies the history of the Muslims specifically their rise and decline, one will observe a common trend which lead to the rise and decline. The Abbassids, Andalusians, Ottomans, Mughals etc. What was the trend?

After the Mughal Empire collapsed, Islam and Muslims were on the verge of extinction from the Subcontinent.

Allamah Iqbal said:"....it will happen exactly like it happened in Andalusia (Spain) after eight hundred years of Muslim rule there. Today, except the relics of the ruins of Grenada and Cordoba and Al-Hamra, no trace is found there of the followers of Islam, and the Islamic civilisation. In India, too, save the Taj Mahal and the Red Fort of Delhi, no trace of the Muslims’ 800-year rule and their civilisation will be available.”

http://www.deoband.org/about-2/

But Allah is the best of Planners.

**At Tayyib** · 07-03-2012, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by At Tayyib

What led to the decline of Andalusia and the Moors?

Tu Idhar Udhar ki na baat kar
Don’t talk about this and that

Yeh bata ke Q.A.F.I.L.A kyun luta
Just tell us why the caravan was looted

Hamein rah zanon se gila nahin
We have no complaint against the looters

Teri rehbari ka sawaal hai
It is your leadership that we question

We will tell you why the Caravan was looted in the following posts.

**At Tayyib** · 10-03-2012, 12:45 PM

What lead to the rise of the Ummah?

Rustam addressed Rib'ee bin Amir

saying, 'What brings you here?" "Allah has sent us," Rib'ee ibn Amir

replied, "Allah has sent us to remove whoever He wills from servitude to man and to lead him to the servitude of Allah. Allah has sent us to remove them from the narrowness of this world towards its vastness and from the oppression of other religions towards the justice of Islam ..."

Rib'ee ibn Amir

so profoundly stated the purpose of the Muslim Ummah. The Muslim conquests of the first Hijri century were marked by this purpose. With this purpose Tariq ibn Ziyad

and his army set foot in Andalus. Europe was beginning to see the light of the day.

**At Tayyib** · 10-03-2012, 01:05 PM

Opportunity Lost

But the Muslims soon turned insular. They shut themselves from Europe and became a closed community. The Muslims were in Europe for 8 Centuries but the contact with Christian Europe was minimal and limited.

The Roman Church continued to the oppress the Masses on a large scale but the Moors failed in advancing the message of Islam to the larger part of the continent. The Christian masses were oppressed in the name of GOD. This caused the masses to fear and hate GOD. The seeds of secularism and atheism were sown. And slowly it started to grow and the time came when it bore the bitter fruit.

When the Muslims reached Europe, the Romans seeked revenge. The wounds of the bitter defeat in the Old Byzantine Empire were still afresh in the minds of the Roman Catholics. They sensed they same defeat in Europe. First, they united the whole of Europe against the Muslims for the cause of liberating the Holy Lands ie. The Crusades. Second, they started a defamation campaign against the Last Prophet of Allah

. He

was vilified and demonified all over Europe. What lies were propagated against him

. The Europeans still express the same sentiments to this day. But, the Moors turned insular and could not combat these lies and fabrications. They were cut off from Europe

What happened is what we know as history. The continent was wiped out of Muslims and Islam.

Today, we face the same challenges. Either give your best for the sake of propagating the message of Allah, or face the same fate as the Moors. You'll be wiped out. And the whole world will again plunge into total darkness eventually leading to it's destrucion

**pawlak** · 15-03-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by At Tayyib

Opportunity Lost

But the Muslims soon turned insular. They shut themselves from Europe and became a closed community. The Muslims were in Europe for 8 Centuries but the contact with Christian Europe was minimal and limited.

The Roman Church continued to the oppress the Masses on a large scale but the Moors failed in advancing the message of Islam to the larger part of the continent. The Christian masses were oppressed in the name of GOD. This caused the masses to fear and hate GOD. The seeds of secularism and atheism were sown. And slowly it started to grow and the time came when it bore the bitter fruit.

When the Muslims reached Europe, the Romans seeked revenge. The wounds of the bitter defeat in the Old Byzantine Empire were still afresh in the minds of the Roman Catholics. They sensed they same defeat in Europe. First, they united the whole of Europe against the Muslims for the cause of liberating the Holy Lands ie. The Crusades. Second, they started a defamation campaign against the Last Prophet of Allah

. He

was vilified and demonified all over Europe. What lies were propagated against him

. The Europeans still express the same sentiments to this day. But, the Moors turned insular and could not combat these lies and fabrications. They were cut off from Europe

What happened is what we know as history. The continent was wiped out of Muslims and Islam.

Today, we face the same challenges. Either give your best for the sake of propagating the message of Allah, or face the same fate as the Moors. You'll be wiped out. And the whole world will again plunge into total darkness eventually leading to it's destrucion

You have missed the organized banking families in Venice. Check this.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-global-empire

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ey-and-bankers

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**At Tayyib** · 17-03-2012, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by pawlak

You have missed the organized banking families in Venice. Check this.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-global-empire

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ey-and-bankers

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Wait! The bankers don't come in so early. You are rewriting history. Let us come out of the Dark Ages and we give a FULL post to the bankers and their bankruptcy.

Kindly DEBIT your post, we will CREDIT it later.

I request the to MODS to delete this post and the one above.

**Abdul1234** · 17-03-2012, 02:10 PM

There were banking families like the Medicis as long ago as the Renaissance and they got very rich and powerful, but in the Middle ages only Jews were allowed to give interest loans in some European countries.

**Abdul1234** · 17-03-2012, 02:13 PM

a 1970s CE book Dajjal the King Who Has no Clothes by Ahmad Thomson and Colonel Abdur Raheem (ra) is quite interesting in relation to a lot of these things.

**pawlak** · 19-03-2012, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Abdul1234

a 1970s CE book Dajjal the King Who Has no Clothes by Ahmad Thomson and Colonel Abdur Raheem (ra) is quite interesting in relation to a lot of these things.

Do you mean this book ?

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dajjal-King-.../dp/0907461557
http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=9530

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http://www.simplyislam.com/iteminfo.asp?item=50810#
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Do you have any pdf version of this book ?

**Abdul1234** · 24-03-2012, 11:41 PM

yes brother that one, its well worth reading

but it is with Ta-Ha publishers and they are very close handed with their books, I doubt if there is a pdf of it available.