Refutation of Composite Nationalism by 'Allamah Zafar Ahmad al-'Uthmani

**London786** · 27-12-2011, 03:52 AM

brother superiman the arguments presented by maulana zafar ahmed usmani rh are very strong. I could never tolerate a hindu ruling over me. They are the worst zalims in the world. What did the Muslims of Hindustan achieve? We got rid of the British and in those days the Muslims were a strong force and instead we now have the Mushriks ruling over us. The mushriks are FAR worse than the british.

**London786** · 27-12-2011, 03:58 AM

The reasons why Muslim colonies did not govern by shariah is a different story. The colonalists left behind their own people when they left. The problem with the ummah is that our religious people don't even have an interest or aspire to be qualified statesmen. Even the 'concept' does not exist. The moment anybody talks about religious governance we shun them and think he is living in cloud cooko land.

**SUPERiMAN** · 27-12-2011, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by London786

brother superiman the arguments presented by maulana zafar ahmed usmani rh are very strong. I could never tolerate a hindu ruling over me. They are the worst zalims in the world. What did the Muslims of Hindustan achieve? We got rid of the British and in those days the Muslims were a strong force and instead we now have the Mushriks ruling over us. The mushriks are FAR worse than the british.

Exactly, and this force was destroyed once the country was split and Muslims were butchered.

**London786** · 27-12-2011, 04:12 AM

I am not a fan of partition but at the same time I don't think an alliance with hindus was the best policy. Those were difficult times but we have to ask what would have been achieved by just kicking out the british and making hindus the rulers? Khair our elders disagreed on the issue and today neither the Muslims of Pakistan, Bangladesh nor India have competenent rulers and the Muslims are facing difficult times in each of these countries. We have zardari ruling pakistan, a lady ruling bangladesh who has made the country totally secular and our Muslims in Hindustan are also facing massive discrimination. ALLAH have mercy upon us.

**SUPERiMAN** · 27-12-2011, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by London786

The reasons why Muslim colonies did not govern by shariah is a different story. The colonalists left behind their own people when they left. The problem with the ummah is that our religious people don't even have an interest or aspire to be qualified statesmen. Even the 'concept' does not exist. The moment anybody talks about religious governance we shun them and think he is living in cloud cooko land.

Good Point. This issue has been dealt satisfactorily by Maulana Sajjad Naumani in the Following Dars e Quran

1. Darse Quran Surah Yusuf Ayat 51- 55. 16th Nov 2011

2. Darse Quran Surah Yusuf Ayat 56-68 10th Dec 2011

This Surah explains the rules of Islamic Governance, Administration and Justice.

I would recommend each and every member who can understand URDU to listen to these beneficial Lessons. If some one can translate it to ENGLISH it would extremely Rewarding

**London786** · 27-12-2011, 04:21 AM

Mashallah jazakallah khairan. Maulana Sajjad Nomani db is one of the few people who is a very balanced individual. May ALLAH bless Hazrat ameen.

**At Tayyib** · 29-02-2012, 05:14 AM

The Refutation of Composite Nationalism is a remarkable work of Zafar Ahmad Usmani

These were men with foresight. The dangers of a secular nation were in front of these giants. Secularism was the most powerful tool to eliminate religion from all spheres of human life.

The Secularists successfully experimented this -ism in Europe. The Separation of The State from the Church. They relegated religion to the boundaries of the Church. I'm convinced that the earlier Secularists were Jewish. No, this is not a conspiracy theory. If one reads the Qur'an, one will be enlightened to the aversion and disgust displayed by these Jews to Divines Scriptures and the divinely sent Prophets and Messengers. They were so emboldened by this thought that they even changed the scriptures to suit their desires.

The Secularists were successful in relegating Christianity to the boundaries of the Church. Usury up till then was prohibited, Paganism has been on the rise since these secularists came to power.

**At Tayyib** · 29-02-2012, 05:25 AM

The First such experiment of Secularism was tested in a Muslim country though, it turned out to be a failure.

Jalauddin Akbar and his Din-e-Ilahi. The people instrumental in this experiment were two Shias viz, Faizi and Abul Fazl. These Shias are the enemies of Islam and Muslims since the Khayrul Quroon. Some may argue that Din-e-Ilahi was a fusion of all religion. It was infact, a systematic effort to Separate Islam from the life of the Muslims and relegate it to the Masjids and Madrasahs. All Social, Economic and Political affairs of Muslims and Non Muslims will be governed by this Din-e-Ilahi.

May Allah bless Shaykh Mujaddid Alf e Thani Ahmed Farooqi Sirhindi

. What a great personality and what a remarkable effect he has had on the Muslims. It is through his efforts that Islam was saved in the subcontinent.

now both the parties of Ulema e Deoband Pro-Pakistan and Pro-Congress lead by Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi

and Shaykh Hussain Ahmed Madani

respectively; wanted to save the Muslims from this Secularism. Both these parties deemed it to the primary threat.

The Ikhtilaf was Ijtihadi. Both went in different ways to deal with this menace. Inshallah will explain it later in Detail

**At Tayyib** · 29-02-2012, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by At Tayyib

The Refutation of Composite Nationalism is a remarkable work of Zafar Ahmad Usmani

These were men with foresight. The dangers of a secular nation were in front of these giants. Secularism was the most powerful tool to eliminate religion from all spheres of human life.

The Secularists successfully experimented this -ism in Europe. The Separation of The State from the Church. They relegated religion to the boundaries of the Church. I'm convinced that the earlier Secularists were Jewish. No, this is not a conspiracy theory. If one reads the Qur'an, one will be enlightened to the aversion and disgust displayed by these Jews to Divines Scriptures and the divinely sent Prophets and Messengers. They were so emboldened by this thought that they even changed the scriptures to suit their desires.

The Secularists were successful in relegating Christianity to the boundaries of the Church. Usury up till then was prohibited, Paganism has been on the rise since these secularists came to power.

The Church was extremely corrupt reeking in vice and corruption. Separating the State from the Church was a piece of cake. The Secularists had an extremely tough time in Secularising the Muslim empires. They used every resource they could to achieve their goal. They even used Christianity which they despised to reach the target

**At Tayyib** · 03-03-2012, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by At Tayyib

The Church was extremely corrupt reeking in vice and corruption. Separating the State from the Church was a piece of cake. The Secularists had an extremely tough time in Secularising the Muslim empires. They used every resource they could to achieve their goal. They even used Christianity which they despised to reach the target

Why did the Church collapse?

The Church and it's clergy were directly responsible for the rise of the secularists. The secularists' reaction was direct and equal to the church's action (or inaction thereof).