any Shafii Scholars in Istanbul?

[Brazilian Convert]

Wa alaikum salam brother Rifai. I can´t say I have studied shafii fiqh, as most of my knowledge come from self-reading: risalatul jamiah, safinatun-naja, elements of shafii fiqh, relience of the traveler... I ask my doubts with our local imam, and have been trying to memorize the ahkan, but I can´t realy say it´s "study". I would like to study as much as I could, but if I could at least have the opportunity to cover the basic books like risalatul jamiah and matn abi shuja, I would apreciate a lot. May I ask who will be providing those classes and how to contact then?
Brother seeker-ibk, I haven´t really "choose" Turkey. It was a opportunity that came to me, and I am seriously inclined to accept it.

[ahmetbaba]

Jubbali Ahmad is very literate man.But there are some problems in his belief.They are ''sufis'' livind in villas because of their ignorant followers.

There are problems in his belief? Man, if Cubbeli Ahmet Hoca is being called a bad Muslim, then there are no Muslims left in the country. Is it haram for a sufi to live in a villa? Especially when he has valid excuses. Sayyidina Uthman(ra) lived in a mansion type home while many of the other sahaba were very poor. It is the blessing of Allah(cc) and one can do what they want with their money. This is a bad thing to say about the only outspoken jamaat in Turkey that speaks the true Islam.

[Ansari]

There are problems in his belief? Man, if Cubbeli Ahmet Hoca is being called a bad Muslim, then there are no Muslims left in the country. Is it haram for a sufi to live in a villa? Especially when he has valid excuses. Sayyidina Uthman(ra) lived in a mansion type home while many of the other sahaba were very poor. It is the blessing of Allah(cc) and one can do what they want with their money. This is a bad thing to say about the only outspoken jamaat in Turkey that speaks the true Islam.

He brings forward fabricated ahadith sometimes. For example the hadith about Jibril looking behind the curtain, to see where the revelation comes from, and sees the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi sallam): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50S7c3aa91w.

This was criticized by another Turkish scholar called Alparslan Kuytul (studied in Azhar) who called it kufr (found in the youtube link)

It was also mentioned as a fabrication by Ebu Bakr Sefil: http://www.istikamet.eu/showthread.p...-al%C4%B1yordu

Then Cubbali Ahmed acknowledged that it was called a fabrication and said that he only meant that the status of the Prophet is bigger than Gibril. He did not want to say Gibril really received the relevation from the Prophet himsef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6srFha5RZ6E

[ahmetbaba]

He brings forward fabricated ahadith sometimes. For example the hadith about Jibril looking behind the curtain, to see where the revelation comes from, and sees the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi sallam): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50S7c3aa91w.

This was criticized by another Turkish scholar called Alparslan Kuytul (studied in Azhar) who called it kufr (found in the youtube link)

It was also mentioned as a fabrication by Ebu Bakr Sefil: http://www.istikamet.eu/showthread.p...-al%C4%B1yordu

Then Cubbali Ahmed acknowledged that it was called a fabrication and said that he only meant that the status of the Prophet is bigger than Gibril. He did not want to say Gibril really received the relevation from the Prophet himsef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6srFha5RZ6E

So, whats the matter than? He acknowledges that the narration is weak or fabricated. This only exalts oneself and it doesn't lower his status. To acknowledge ones own mistake is very virtuous.

[Ansari]

So, whats the matter than? He acknowledges that the narration is weak or fabricated. This only exalts oneself and it doesn't lower his status. To acknowledge ones own mistake is very virtuous.

First of all the hadith is 100% a fabrication and there is more. See for example in a video he called on others than Allah. However the video is removed now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNuYHoBjF8

Ebu Bekir Sifil called this belief very dangerous:

"Ölüp gitmiş bir kimsenin, kendi irade ve kudretiyle dirilere cevap vereceğini ve dirilerin isteğini, kendisinde bulunan tasarruf gücüyle mutlak olarak yerine getireceğini düşünmek son derece yanlıştır. Ölünün, bizatihi kendisiyle kaim, kendisinden kaynaklanan bir kudrete sahip olduğunu ve bu kudretle dilediği işi yapabileceğini düşünmek İslam inancıyla bağdaşmaz. Bu cümleden olarak, sık sık örnek verildiği gibi, "Ya Şeyh Abdülkadir Geylânî! Benim şu hacetimi gider" diye nida etmek, eğer böyle bir düşüncenin ürünü ise, son derece tehlikelidir. "

Link: http://www.ebubekirsifil.com/index.p...=soylesi&no=16

son derece tehlikelidir = it is very dangerous

[ahmetbaba]

Brother, this isn't a new topic to ask for intercession from the dead. However, what you are saying in Turkish isn't the same as what you are translating. He isn't calling for someone to help him other than Allah(cc), he makes dua to Allah(cc) by saying, accept our dua for the sake of such a person. And what Ebu Bekir hoca is saying that, to think that those dead people in the grave have any ability to do such a thing on their own is dangerous. Because obviously if they can do anything, it is through the will of Allah(cc). If you don't know Turkish well, stop quoting them.

And in order to say such a thing is a complete fabrication you have to show proof that a scholar from the past says that this is Batil or Mevdu. And Ebu Bekir hoca is using his own understanding and saying that, such a thing does exist in the sources of the past, but he deduces that it is something forged due to some reasons that he points out.

[Ansari]

Brother, this isn't a new topic to ask for intercession from the dead. However, what you are saying in Turkish isn't the same as what you are translating. He isn't calling for someone to help him other than Allah(cc), he makes dua to Allah(cc) by saying, accept our dua for the sake of such a person. And what Ebu Bekir hoca is saying that, to think that those dead people in the grave have any ability to do such a thing on their own is dangerous. Because obviously if they can do anything, it is through the will of Allah(cc). If you don't know Turkish well, stop quoting them.

He did NOT use tawassul in the sense of "sake of fulan" where he asks Allah. NO, he called the awliya for help (imdaad alay). A Turkish brother translated it and he knows very well Turkish and is aware of the different groups in Turkey.

And in order to say such a thing is a complete fabrication you have to show proof that a scholar from the past says that this is Batil or Mevdu. And Ebu Bekir hoca is using his own understanding and saying that, such a thing does exist in the sources of the past, but he deduces that it is something forged due to some reasons that he points out.

There are many quotes from the muhaddithin calling that hadith a fabrication.

[Brazilian Convert]

Salam alaikum
Please, let´s not get off-topic here. There are many topics where we can discuss the issue of intercesion. This topic is to discuss about shafii scholars in Istanbul, and Turkey as a whole.
By the way, brother Rifai, could you please give me the contacts of the people who will be teaching matn abi shuja (and the other books) in Istanbul? I will be there on vacations from january 30 to february 27, insha Allah I can meet then!

[Rifai]

Salam alaikum
Please, let´s not get off-topic here. There are many topics where we can discuss the issue of intercesion. This topic is to discuss about shafii scholars in Istanbul, and Turkey as a whole.
By the way, brother Rifai, could you please give me the contacts of the people who will be teaching matn abi shuja (and the other books) in Istanbul? I will be there on vacations from january 30 to february 27, insha Allah I can meet then!

Wa ´alaykum as-salam Sidi,

I will be teaching it, and I am not yet in Turkey. The mods do not allow for me to give out my email here, but they have allowed people to contact me by sending an email to najmuddinalqadiri AT gmail DOT com and ask him to forward it to Abu Yahya. If you do, we can talk easier insha'Allah.
I am sorry for the late reply.

wassalam

[Brazilian Convert]

As salamu alaikum
Thank you brother, I have already sent a email to najmuddinqadiri, insha Allah we will talk soon.