Is hell real ?

[Maripat]

Mashallah, this thread is very nice, I still have to finish reading the last pages..
I am very afraid of hell, sometimes I am so anxious that I feel anxious even for kafirs.
There are some people that I love who are not so close to God and I tried to make dawah and to tell them how important is salah, but they're still the same and I am sad for them, sad for my self, sad for everyone.. I hate being so sensitive because it makes me even more depressed, I don't know how to control my fear of hell.. I just can't stop thinking about death and hell since I found myself in trouble with God, and when I try to read Qur'an it makes me even more anxious I wish I could wake up one morning and being someone else, someone with a sound heart, mind and soul but unfortunately I always wake up being me! I hate being me because I am tired being like this.


I don't understand why I can't hope in Allah's mercy as I used before, maybe because before I thought I was a good person who can be saved from hell, but I just can't think like this anymore.. not after shaytan and my nafs destroyed my heart!

sorry guys if I bother you with this useless comment, but I have nobody who I can talk to, so please try to bear me, inshallah I hope I will change and be doing Ok soon, so maybe then I will write something useful instead of my usual grievances.

Relax sister.

Please do spend some time trying to imagine the joy, happiness, pleasure, ease and blessings of Jannah. State of belief is between fear and hope and you already have the fear so hope is the point to focus upon.

[faizanakram99]

ALLAH IS MOST MERCIFUL AND INDEED FORGIVING...!
SEE THIS VIDEO...IT MUST INCREASE YOUR HOPE FOR ALLAH'S MERCY INSHA ALLAH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KURL7sukq9U

[Love-Fear-Hope]

Jazakum Allahu Khair brothers, today indeed I feel more hopeful, hamdulilah, and I hope that my hope in the Mercy of Allah will increase day after day, inshallah! Pls remember me in your dua's and May Allah reward you with the best in both worlds for that! and may Allah forgive our sins and guide us always. amin.

[Maripat]

For Scorpion Again

According to BBC report:

For the families of his victims, and survivors, the 10-week trial of Anders Breivik has been deeply painful. It's also been a harrowing experience for the journalists.

Now how do we explain it all?
In such situations we only hope that a perpetrator of crime will be brought to justice by God.
I am not saying that it proves or justifies eternal hell.
I am saying that we should not insist upon understanding that hell is eternal - we have our limitations.

[Scorpion]

For Scorpion Again

According to BBC report:

Now how do we explain it all?
In such situations we only hope that a perpetrator of crime will be brought to justice by God.
I am not saying that it proves or justifies eternal hell.
I am saying that we should not insist upon understanding that hell is eternal - we have our limitations.

HI! Maripat nice to hear from you, thanks for thinking of me.

Clearly Breivik deserves punishment, but not even he deserves eternity of burning.

I am sure the quran does say hell is eternal, and I just did a quick scan and found a couple of verses to that effect. But I am sure there are others.

Pickthall
5.37 They will wish to come forth from the Fire, but they will not come forth from it. Theirs will be a lasting doom.


10.52 Then will it be said unto those who dealt unjustly Taste the torment of eternity. Are ye requited aught save what ye used to earn?

[Maripat]

HI! Maripat nice to hear from you, thanks for thinking of me.

Clearly Brevic deserves punishment, but not even he deserves eternity of burning.

I am sure the quran does say hell is eternal, and I just did a quick scan and found a couple of verses to that effect. But I am sure there are others.

Pickthall
5.37 They will wish to come forth from the Fire, but they will not come forth from it. Theirs will be a lasting doom.


10.52 Then will it be said unto those who dealt unjustly Taste the torment of eternity. Are ye requited aught save what ye used to earn?

Please do not think that you are ever far from my mind.

And the eternity of hell is indeed our belief. There are some scholars who believe otherwise but that is not the consensus opinion and in fact there is no serious discussion about eternity of hell in spite of the dissenting scholars being of very high status. So eternal it is indeed.

What I was trying to say that we should not insist that I want to understand why it is eternal. We have our limitations including limitations of imagination as well as comprehension.

You might feel indignant about it and I understand that. The matter of fact is that Allah (SWT) says in the Noble Qur'an that He (SWT) offered this, that is Noble Qur'an, to the skies and the earth and all refused to bear the burden. Allah (SWT) also says that if this Qur'an was made to descend on a mountain then because of fear of Allah (SWT) it would have got crushed.

There is nothing allegorical here actually. Just think of it like the experience the family members and journalists had in Brevik trial. This was just one real harrowing experience that they had to go through - me and you can not imagine that. And then suppose you are assigned the job of going through the trials of many such events? History has a lot of them. Clearly none of us will accept the assignment. Reason being our limitation in bearing the bad news.

We back off with finite problems - we should not insist upon understanding infinite ones.

And of course Allah (SWT) knows the best.

Ciao.

[Abdul1234]

Clearly Breivik deserves punishment, but not even he deserves eternity of burning.

God is the one who will Judge what that murderer deserves and He is the most Just, not Scorpion.

[Maripat]

God is the one who will Judge what that murderer deserves and He is the most Just, not Scorpion.

Dr Sahab easy please! Scorpion is struggling. Just assume that you are talking to Pusey Cat, Bunny Rabbit, Taddy Bear and not Scorpion.

[Anybody]

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Dear Brother Scorpion:

May Allah guide you, me, and all of us to the Straight Path and open our hearts to receive and accept Allah's mercy.

Brother, one of the things that I would like to say is that I did not have a chance to read the article that was posted. However, I can surmise from your response that the article was about a man whom you believe deserved punishment but not an eternal punishment.

Brother, one of the core differences between Islam and other faiths is that in Islam, the believers are asked to not look at our sins and divide them into categories of negligible or astronomical, according to our own perceptions. No.

Brother, we do not ourselves take upon ourselves to assign them value because the only One Who is Disobeyed can do that.

However, more fundamentally, the difference between the different religions and Islam is that we do not look at the bigness or smallness of the sins but we look at the One Who is Disobeyed. So, let us do that...look at the One Who is Disobeyed: Allah.

What do we know about Allah?

"He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent: and He has full knowledge of all things (Quran 57:3)." (Yusuf Ali translation.)

This is saying that Allah has no Beginning and no Ending, nothing is above Him and nothing is beyond Him, that His Perfection, as Realized by His Outer Attributes, Reflects His Inner Perfection, that Allah's Knowledge is Absolute (consisting of the Seen and the Unseen).

In Surah Ikhlas (Chapter 112), we are told that "Allah is One" in ayah 1, as a Yusuf Ali translation provides.

This means that He cannot be divided or multiplied, added to or subtracted from, as He is One.

In the same chapter, we also learn that "Allah is Eternal" in ayah 3, as a Yusuf Ali translation provides.

So, from all of this, we know that Allah is Infinite and He is One. So, earlier, do you recall what I said about what Islam asks believers to do? To not look at the quantity or quality (smallness or bigness of our sins) but the One Who is Disobeyed. So, we understand that the One Who is Disobeyed is Infinite. Therefore, infinite punishment for disobeying One Who is Infinite.

Secondly, Allah says He is One. That means he does not ascribe Himself any partners in His Will or Decision-Making. This means that if any person is concerned about a particular aspect of Divine Will or Divine Decision-Making, then that individual is setting himself up as partner to Allah, which is unacceptable to Allah. (And please note I chose the words "partner to Allah" instead of "in ascendency over Allah" because Allah has already said in other places in the Quran and ahadith that He is the Highest; that is to say, no person can go higher up than Allah because Allah is the highest.) Allah also says that He is Perfect in ahadith. So, Allah's Knowledge is also Perfect (because only Allah knows both the Seen and the Unseen). So, Allah says not to set ourselves as partners to Allah in His Perfect Will or Decision-Making because our knowledge is imperfect and necessarily limited and our judgments about Allah's Will or Decision-Making are necessarily not informed by the Knowledge or Wisdom that He has.

"Verily, your Lord is All-Knowing, All-Wise" (12: 6).

So, that is why the believers recite "La ilaha ill Allah, Muhammad-ur-Rasul Allah" to enter Islam. Because this, right here, is the core of Islam. With this statement, the believers are essentially saying, "I give up claims to any god (desires or ego) or being god (grandeur and hauteur) and accept You, O! Allah, as my Lord and God and acknowledge that Prophet Muhammad is Your Messenger."

That is why tawhid, or Oneness of Allah, is considered as essential to understanding Islam.

Infinite punishment for disobeying One Who is Infinite is about accepting that as good or bad our standards of acceptable or not acceptable seem to us, they are arbitrary and without foundational basis if they are without His Perfect Knowledge and Perfect Wisdom and Perfect Will and Perfect Decision-Making. In short, without His Perfection.

That is why Islam also implicitly underlines in a hadith how important it is for the human being to understand himself/herself before he/she tries to process any information, including aspects like Divine Will concerning hellfire.

And Allah knows best.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.

[Love-Fear-Hope]

@Scorpion, if you really wanna know if there's a Creator or not, don't ask your self "fake questions" like: if there's a God, why this, why that? almost every question that begins with "if" is not a true question but an objection, and it won't help you to find true answers but only fake answers just like the question.

so if you wanna make TRUE QUESTIONS then ask to yourself questions without "if" maybe then you gonna see the truth, and ask also God to guide you, to help you to see the truth with your heart.

just take a look around you, do you really think that everything that exists is just a chance and coincidence?
is a coincidence the fact that I have two eyes and is a coincidence that I need them to see, is a coincidence that I need arms, legs.. is a coincidence that my body has everything it needs to survive? if yes, how and why is that? did the universe know that we were coming in order to create and to prepare everything we need to live and to survive?

I know that deep inside yourself, you know that there's gotta be something more then this.
so now don't waste time with things that you can't understand but focus on the things you can understan, begin from this and ask to your self true questions.

and if yuo can't understand something it doesn't mean it doesn't exist... for example I can't understand where the universe ends but it doesn't mean that I don't understand that theres a universe..

you don't have to understand everysingle thing.. if you understand that there's a Creator.. then have faith in him.. and if you can't understand it today it doensn't mean you won't understand it tomorrow..

actually you don't have to understand it (I mean the punishment of the hell) you only have to accept it and to know that it exists and you can accept it only after understanding there's a God called also Allah and that the Qur'an can't be a lie (indeed I invite you to study it better without 'if' questions) and the Messanger of Allah was not a lier but a true messanger, after you understand this.. only then you can accept the existence of hell and paradise.. life and death.. by the way niether death is pleasant (I guess) and a normal person doesn't like it because it is scary, right? but can we say that death doesn't exist just because we don't like it and so can we say that we shouldn't believe that we gonna die, sooner or later, just because we think it is not fair?

please try to put aside your feelings, and focus on using the reason at least in the begining..

I make you another example, a surgeon can't operate a patient using his emotions or feelings.. thinking 'omg I can't do this becasue it could be dangerous and the patient could die and it wouldn't be fair', no! everybody know that if you can't control your feelings then you can never become a surgeon.. right? so just be like a surgeon, now I don't mean that feelings are not important I only mean that you can't use only your feelings to understand things but also your reason.. most of the times feelings are irrational.. yes we need them but not only them even reason.. sometimes theres more need to use reason and other times feelings and other times both .. so don't focus only on what you feel..

May Allah guide you to the right path.