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    Quote Originally Posted by UntoldTruth View Post
    She just told you who, and explained why....
    anyone who doubts the finality of the prophethood resting with Rasulullah (saws) is not a muslim. it is very surprising that you are so accepting of a qadiani as being a muslim.

    i can only conclude that being a maliki you are an african, and have had the good fortune of not being exposed to qadianism, otherwise if you were indian and thus exposed to them you would not have that particular stance.

    brelwis and deobandies have all issued fatwas many decades ago (century) declaring them all to be kafir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadeed View Post
    To recognize Qadiyanis as Muslims is kufr.


    I would also like to echo this important point. It is by universal consensus amongst all scholars (Barelvi, Deobandi, Wahhabi, even Shi'a) that the Qadianis are kaafir. To doubt the kufr of the Qadianis is kufr itself.
    ياايها الذين امنوا اذكروا الله ذكرا كثيرا


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    Quote Originally Posted by byellow200 View Post
    Why don't you believe that Muhammad is the last prophet?
    And if you don't think he was the last prophet then who is?
    It's the way Sunnis interpret 'Khatam-un Nabiyyin' and the way Ahmadis do. Sunnis say it means 'The last prophet' while Ahmadis say it means 'The best/greatest prophet'
    'When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.' ~ Wayne Dyer


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    Quote Originally Posted by UntoldTruth View Post
    Where is this hadith located and what is the strength of this hadith???? Curious because I never seen nor heard of this hadith.....
    I gave you the source.
    A book by the name of Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman by author al-Muttaqi al-Hindi.
    Don't have the book with me, found it online. It seems to be a sound hadith, not sure though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Baira View Post
    It's the way Sunnis interpret 'Khatam-un Nabiyyin' and the way Ahmadis do. Sunnis say it means 'The last prophet' while Ahmadis say it means 'The best/greatest prophet'
    It doesn't work that way. "Khatam-un-Nabiyyin" means seal of the prophets. How does "seal" imply "best/greatest"? Muslims believe that Rasoolullah is the best of all prophets, best of all humans, best of all creations, but that ayah is not what is used as evidence for this.

    And since we're talking about this ayah, we know that the Qur'an was revealed in 7 ahruf. Here's the phrase in the Qaloon harf:



    Over here, it is khaatim-an-nabiyyin, so even the Qadiani claim that the verse refers to "seal" and not "last" is invalid because Muslims believe the Qur'an to have been revealed in 7 ahruf and all the ahruf are 100% correct and none of the qira'at contradict each other but only add and elaborate.
    ياايها الذين امنوا اذكروا الله ذكرا كثيرا


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadeed View Post
    To recognize Qadiyanis as Muslims is kufr.
    I don't really care what people think of me... Because I won't be judged by any of you... I will be judged by Allah... He suffices as a judge...

    To most of you people everything is kufr, everything is haram, eveything is bidah, you can't do anything right in front most muslims...
    Allah says, "Say, 'If you truly love Allah, follow me; and Allah shall love you and forgive you your sins." (3:31)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hafiz Gee View Post
    anyone who doubts the finality of the prophethood resting with Rasulullah (saws) is not a muslim. it is very surprising that you are so accepting of a qadiani as being a muslim.

    i can only conclude that being a maliki you are an african, and have had the good fortune of not being exposed to qadianism, otherwise if you were indian and thus exposed to them you would not have that particular stance.

    brelwis and deobandies have all issued fatwas many decades ago (century) declaring them all to be kafir.
    I don't make takfir on anyone.... It is not obligatory for a muslim to make takfir... From the hadiths that I read concerning this topic... making takfir is actually discouraged.... Because the Prophet (saw) discouraged making takfir, I don't make it.... So who am I going to follow... The Prophet (saw) or these people telling me to make takfir.... If you call someone a kafir and they are not, than you are... That's enough to discourage me from making takfir....
    Allah says, "Say, 'If you truly love Allah, follow me; and Allah shall love you and forgive you your sins." (3:31)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Baira View Post
    Okay, are there any hadith or verses which prove that?
    Here you will find plenty"
    http://harunyahya.com/en/Ahir_Zamana...er_%28salat%29

    Where its stated that, Esa(as) will call Imam Mahdi as the Imam of the community. And he will offer prayer behind him. Had he been a Prophet, then he would have been considered as the Imam of the people and he would have offered the prayer.

    And the hadeeth of sahi muslim, which says that after Prophet Muhammad(Saw) there will be Khalifas is sufficient. It doesn't say that there could be one Prophet.


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    Allahumma aslih ummata Muhammadin.
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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم



    A`ūdhu billāhi min ash-shaitāni r-rajīm
    b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm

    I seek refuge in Allah from Shaitan, the accursed one
    In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful


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    Default Re: Ahmaddiya Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by UntoldTruth View Post
    I don't make takfir on anyone.... It is not obligatory for a muslim to make takfir... From the hadiths that I read concerning this topic... making takfir is actually discouraged.... Because the Prophet (saw) discouraged making takfir, I don't make it.... So who am I going to follow... The Prophet (saw) or these people telling me to make takfir.... If you call someone a kafir and they are not, than you are... That's enough to discourage me from making takfir....
    The muslim world league in Makkah (which include all different ulama over the world) have done takfir of qadiyanis in 1974.
    The reason is simple because they claim that there is a prophet after Muhammad (). They claim that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani is a prophet.
    Aside from that you will soon learn what else he claimed. I'll give you one spoiler- he claimed that he was Maryam then he claimed that he became pregnant and then became Isa.!!!


    P.s: Doing takfir for no reason is wrong but it is haram not to do takfir where it is due


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