Hanbali or Salafi?

[NNoor]

Dawud, I actually agree with you that these anti-salafi threads that crop up periodically are annoying, repetitive, and pointless, just like the anti-barelwi threads. I have never started such a thread, and for a forum with so many users, in comparison to other topics, those threads are a very low percentage anyway. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Deobandis spend plenty of time refuting the shia, qadianis and other kuffar, while engaging in good deeds and whatever else you're praising salafis for.

I don't need to go into those forums, all I have to do is point to what their teachers say about asharis and sufis (most deobandis are ashari and sufi), and it's not flattering. I think you're wrong in crediting the salafis with making deobandis/asharis/madhabis "less jahil". I actually think it's the other way around.

No reply about Yasir Qadhi and his takfir of muslims?

and there was so much cultural nonsense that the indopak community brought with them when they came here that its unbelievable, forced marriages, women beating, gomgal shareef, ibn arabi, and the list goes on:

These problems have nothing to do with deobandi/salafi/barewli/whatever. Total red herring. Every culture has some nonsense in it, including British culture.

[afriki_haqq]

Brother Dawud, with all due respect to you I cannot agree with everything you say.

Its not a fair comparison to say that Al-Maghrib and Al-Kauthar forums do not bash Deobandis. They hardly the biggest Salafi forums on the website. Go to IA and Multaqa and then see the smashing and bashing that these forums indulge in. They spare none. Although Deobandis are singled out by HH and gang they have a liking to make clearcut takfir of 90% of the ummah and ulamah. The opposite hardly ever happens on SF which is the largest Deobandi forum on the net. Compare apples with apples.




On another post you mentioned Salafi Aqeedah, I would much appreciate some elaboration on this.



You also claim elsewhere that Deobandis indulge in bidah and shirki activities. Care to point this out. Is this not blind smashing of Deobandis by your respected self.


My obsession is not with Salafis. Some salafis are really good, have excellent manners and respect, follow sunnah, etc. Even our Ulama have good relations with them. My problem is with the loudmouth, takfiri, bashers and smashers of everyone else but themselves - and no they don't only bash Deobandis, they bash Asharis and Maturidis and Madhabis... Go see what goes on at greenlane and go check out IA, Spubs, TROID, asharis.com, etc etc...


Brother Dawud let us be fair and not be blinded. Salafis are not only the guys at Maghrib and Kauthar (and many here will have issues with these 2 as well) but there is a much bigger spectrum out there.


If anything wrong has been said then this is from my nafs and shaytan and I ask for forgiveness.

[AbuFatimah]

im not saying the deobandi school teaches bad things im saying a lot of people who are supposedly deobandis are doing crazy things so obviously i cant show you a deobandi article or something because im not talking about deoband im talking about supposed followers.

There are deobandis invovled in a lot of nonsense but its cultural and not to do with the teachings found in places like bahishti zawar.

also the reason for me pointing this out is that you dont like me talking ill of deobandis so do unto otehrs like you like done to yourswelf. qadiyanis and shia are a different kettle of fish

salafi aqeedah is accepting what is in teh qur'ana nd sunnah without subjecting it to the intellect or greek philosophy but i fear in asking me to explain what salafi aqeedah is, you are attempting to opening a can of worms id rather let sink to the bottom of the ocean and rust for a couple hundred years

[AbuFatimah]

you guys do my head in, im gonna disappear for anotehr few minutes inshAllah. Salaams

[FususAlHikam]

Comments on this:

I find it extremely unjust to the great Imaam of the Ahlus Sunnah Ahmad Ibn Hanbal رحمه الله that pseudo-Salafis adopt his madhab which form part of the pristine Ahlus Sunnah to hide their own intellectually defected ideology of Salafism. If Salafism is surely the truth then there is nothing stopping those who hide behind the Imaam Ibn Hanbal to climb the rooftops and announce their allegiance to Salafism.

They should not indulge in this extremely dangerous action against the Ummah by holding onto the great Imaam falsely for certainly this is nothing but a deception and the Nabi *صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ said to the effect in the hadith that the one who deceives is not one of us.

The Hanbali school of fiqh is one of the four major schools. However, the modern day pseudo-Salafis that claim to follow the school of Imaam Ibn Hanbal رحمه الله are wallowing in deception.

Call yourself Salafi or Ahle Hadith or La Madhabi (one with no madhab) or Ghair Muqallid or Ahle Ray or whatever suits your fancy. Don't misuse the term "Hanbali".

Nice plea masha'Allah. I too want to ask these Ghair Muqallids, Sulfis, to stop making this claim and show their real face. But this is a very special trademark of this movement, disguising themselves. For example, they guise difference in usool as difference in masail.

[Quandary]

Ibn Taymiyyah was a Hanbali in usul as proven by his unceasing references to riwayah from Imam Ahmad to establish his own opinions and Musa Furber says:

As for following opinions in the mathab, my sheikh says that any book that was used for fatwa can be followed for personal practice.

So if someone follows Ibn Taymiyyah's opinions, then functionally speaking, he is following Hanbali fiqh.

[FususAlHikam]

How Ghair Muqallid, aka "salafi" target innocent people:

"Brother, brother, what is this worship of personalities? I follow only Quran and Hadith, you should to!"

Innocent Muslim: "Yes what a great idea, what else is there to follow besides Quran and Hadith, yes I too only want to follow Quran and Hadith."

"Great brother! But there is a problem, you dont know Quran and Hadith. We have a solution for you, look here these are some scholars who are on the path of Quran and Hadith follow them..."

By the end of the ordeal the fellow is doing taqleed again but not of Aaimma Mujtahideen, now he is doing taqleed of Ghair Muqallid scholars.

[FususAlHikam]

Every culture has some nonsense in it, including British culture.

Ay mate! How dare yuh taak bout or queeeen, dun lemme find ya in Yorshire mate!

[NNoor]

im not saying the deobandi school teaches bad things im saying a lot of people who are supposedly deobandis are doing crazy things so obviously i cant show you a deobandi article or something because im not talking about deoband im talking about supposed followers.

also the reason for me pointing this out is that you dont like me talking ill of deobandis so do unto otehrs like you like done to yourswelf. qadiyanis and shia are a different kettle of fish

To my knowledge, I have never spoken ill about salafis or said anything about them that wasn't true. If I have, then I am sorry and apologize.

To the point in bold...the unfortunate thing is I can bring articles and videos by people who are considered salafi "shuyookh" in which they make takfir of muslims, both groups and individuals, and slander and defame the ashairah, the sufis, the madhabs, etc...

Of course, some laymen always seem to cast a negative light on every group, there's nothing unique about that.

[NNoor]

Ay mate! How dare yuh taak bout or queeeen, dun lemme find ya in Yorshire mate!

OK, Blackbeard