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    Question Bismillah. Marriage issues for a revert.

    As salam wa alaykum,

    I hope this message reaches all of you in good health inshaAllah. I am a brother who reverted to Islam a few years ago alhamdulillah and I am going to have to kind of tell the whole story to get to the problem I am currently dealing with now. So, please be patient as it is some what of a long story. I will try to shorten it as much as possible inshaAllah.

    A few years ago I was finishing my first bachelors degree at the university. I had some previous exposure to Islam, some negative and some positive. My first exposure was in high school when we watched this horrible movie called Not Without my Daughter. It is a terrible portray of Islam, but being atheist I didn't really think too much into the movie. The positive exposure was when my cousin reverted to Islam just after 9-11-2001 alhamdulillah, but again it didn't persuade me to look into Islam at all. So, while I was at the university I had met a girl and we began dating. After several months, meeting her family came up and she said I couldn't because dating was not allowed in her religion. Plus, she said she shouldn't even be with a non-Muslim because this is what Islam said. So, we just continued to date without much regard to her religion.

    Eventually, I began to look into Islam. The first thing I read about Islam was this pamphlet that talked about the miracles of the Qur'aan. I was really impressed with what I was reading, being a logical person and all. So, I felt the need to read more about Islam and I started to read about the Prophet saw. I read about when the Prophet saw was in mount Hira and Jabreel (a.s.) visited him saying "Iqra" three times. Then as I was reading how he ran down to Khadija (r.a.) I began to cry, I don't know why, but I couldn't stop. She comforted him and believed every word he said. To me, this told me a lot about the Prophets (saw) character -- he truly was "al ameen". When I found out she technically was the first revert to Islam I was just in even more tears, but I didn't know why I was crying so much. It was very strange.

    The next thing was, I listened to a recitation of surah Yaseen with english subtitles. When it started, I started to get chills throughout my entire body and I began to cry, again, as I read the the translation. I couldn't believe how beautiful it was. I got to the part of the surah that talks about hellfire and I began to cry even hard because I didn't want to be there. I did a lot of thinking after this and talked to this girl I was seeing about some other aspects of Islam, but she couldn't give me many answers because she wasn't practicing. Instead, she told me to read the Qur'aan. So I did. From the first ayat to the last ayat I was in tears, again, with chills all over my body. I couldn't put the Qur'aan down. It simply was the beautiful thing I have ever read. The translation was the Abdul Haleem translation if anyone is interested. After I read the Qur'aan, I went to the mosque and took my shahada alhamdulillah.

    I started to talk the girl and said I would like to be with you, but not dating. I said I must meet your parents, you must start practicing, and we must do what is acceptable in Islam. I was very clear that I wanted a life dedicated to Allah swt and I wanted to raise a strong Islamic family. She agreed to this and began to pray again and stopped drinking. So, we got engaged, which is where we are at now.

    The engagement started the downfall. From the beginning, I didn't feel really accepted by the family. Her dad is the president of the mosque, but isn't really practicing that much. I decided to go back to school for a degree that allowed me to work somewhere other than the financial sector because I was dealing with riba a lot. Her parents didn't seem to like this at all. Also, I felt like they didn't like that I was not from their culture and couldn't speak their language at all. My dedication to Islam didn't seem to even matter, but this seems to be how must of the community is where I live.

    Now, back to the sister I am engaged to. It seemed just after the engagement she started to not practice again. We talked about modesty first. She didn't really dress modestly at all. I am big on modesty myself, as I always wear long pants and long sleeve shirts to be modest myself. She said we don't live in a Muslim country so we can adapt to the culture. I was concerned because she was taking things out of context. Next we talked about praying and she said she doesn't have time because of school, but I manage to find time with school and working. We talked about seeking knowledge and she said she doesn't have time with studying. The point is there is always some excuse. Its been a few years and very little has changed. I have been very patient and have tried my best to encourage her because this is another aspect of dowah, but I can't bring a family into the world eventually inshaAllah if she is not going to be practicing as well. I have encouraged her and her family to pray when I am at their house, but it hasn't been to successful.

    We have talked about other things too like buying a house eventually inshaAllah, but I told her I refuse to take a non-Islamic loan out to get one. She screamed at me for this one and said I am ruining her dreams. I would go to an Imam, but I am too afraid because of the position her dad holds within the community. I don't know whether I should stay or I should leave? Any suggestions on what I should do would be much appreciated. JazakAllah khair in advance.

    may Allah swt protect us all and keep us on the straight path. Ameen.


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    Wa alaikumu as-salamu wa rahmatu Allahi barakatuh

    My advice is to get out while you still can.


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    Wa Alaikum Assalam. From a sister's standpoint, I would try and find someone else. Explain that over time, you have realized that you are not compatible as a couple. This sister obviously does not embrace the deen in the same way that you wish for your wife to. This may be "okay" for now, but I don't think that you will think the same once you begin to have children. Your children, especially your daughters, will need woman strong in Islam to learn from.
    Teach me.


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    Brother Iam a fairly new convert myself & Love your New Love in Islam Mashallah as well as your level of Respect for the Poetic Words of Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh).

    Brother its clear as Daylight if She doesn't respect Islam She will NEVER respect you so I highly encourage you to leave this as Allah has bigger & better plans Inshallah for You. There is a Beautiful & Modest Woman waiting for you as Allah has willed it so walk in his ways with The Love of Islam (The True Religion) always on your mind than shall you see the One Allah has willed for You.

    Wa-Salaam


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    Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

    Walekum-Assalam Warahmatullahu Wabarakatu

    May Allah guide you, me, and all of us to the Straight Path.

    My dear Brother, I was very touched to read your story and your path towards accepting guidance from Allah. And I was even more touched to see how you are willing to sacrifice for Allah and happy to sacrifice for Allah. However, my dear Brother, please excuse my bluntness, it seems the sister to whom you are engaged is not the right person for you due to the person she is presently (and Allah knows best and He alone guides).

    Brother, for some people, especially those who are born into the religion, the importance of Islam comes after everything else and everyone else. However, Brother, I do not see you leading a happy life with such a person because it seems you want to Insha-Allah place Islam before everything else and everyone else Masha-Allah.

    Brother, Insha-Allah, it would be good if you told the sister, as Sister Amna4 suggested, that you two are not compatible and do so in a very honest, forthright, and direct manner but also gently so that you can minimize bad feelings that will likely ensue from you making known your decision to her and her family. Apologize to her and them also, because good character and good way of dealing with others is the way of our beloved Prophet Muhammad despite being right in any matter.

    The truth is, Brother, that life is very short and its purpose is to worship Allah, whereas I do not see that the sister in question has understood this and therefore her and her family (despite ties to the mosque) do not support you or the values you embody (and Allah knows best).

    Moreover, Brother, if the sister screams at you now when you place Allah and His deen above any worldly desire or materialism, then imagine how unhappy she will also be in any marriage with you because your priorities do not match. Also, Brother, if you wish, you may watch this video of a revert brother like yourself who went forward in a marriage that ended unhappily due to being in similar circumstances as yours (and Allah knows best).

    Brother, from what I have understood, you should eliminate ties to her and make a clean break. However, Brother, to confirm what I and others have told you, I highly recommend istikhara prayer (guidance prayer) to see also what signs you get from Allah by way of either dreams or strong gut feeling (because that will Insha-Allah remove any hesitations you have in making this decision). And I say this especially, Brother, because it seems to me that you already know deep in your heart that what I and others (Brother Younes and Brother ChristDiver) have said is true and also the action you should take but that you perhaps needed or wanted to hear it from someone else too. And if the case, Brother, then istikhara prayer is the best way I believe you will be able to take any decision with ease and comfort of knowing that you have relied on Allah.

    Thank you for coming to us, Brother, with your question, and Insha-Allah, Allah will make your life affairs easy.

    If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amna4 View Post
    Wa Alaikum Assalam. From a sister's standpoint, I would try and find someone else. Explain that over time, you have realized that you are not compatible as a couple. This sister obviously does not embrace the deen in the same way that you wish for your wife to. This may be "okay" for now, but I don't think that you will think the same once you begin to have children. Your children, especially your daughters, will need woman strong in Islam to learn from.
    Exactly. Leave this woman alone. Its clear she prefers dunya over deen. If you go forward with it, blame your own self.


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    Not sure if this is the correct one or not, but Jazakumullahu Khair to all of you I really appreciate the guidance. All of you are right and this was what I have been thinking. I just needed a place to talk about. May Allah swt keep us all on the straight path. ameen.


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    Salaam Brother, I would just recommend you read salatul Istikhara......bein a young muslima & being born into a muslim family, let me tell you, i think some ppl in our culture just become so used to being 'muslim' they forget what BEING muslim is all about!! I'm not generalising and im not tarring everyone with the same brush!! but I think even the basic tenets of Islam are overlooked as the importance of them is not recognised....if u have felt so strongly about ure deen, i'm sure you would like your future to be based around deen, therefore you need a partner who will support u in this as opposed to someone who cannot face living up to the way Allah has commanded....I am looking to get married, but i know if I marry someone who is my parents ideal then the persons interest in Islam will not be of the highest importance!! don't get me wrong, they care as long as the guy doesn't drink and go out, but the other things such as buyin a house with a mortgage and having even a little knowledge and interest in deen isn't toooooo important!! Same for the men in our community, the slimmer and 'fitter' the girl, the better a marriage potential she is, havin her hair out and displayin her beauty so they can show their mates "look what i've pulled!!"!! I know ppl who feel they won't get proposals if they wear hijab!! I wear hijab and jilbab and I know 1 person who said they would never consider someone like me merely because I cover!! Sad as it is, its a reality for some!! If she feels like this about deen its also more than likely because of her family and also her friendship circle....ask yourself this, you may like this girl because you wouldn't have gone out with her if u didn't....but is she someone you would like to be the mother of your Children?? What guidance can she give to your future daughters and sons?? Just do Istikhara!! Allah will give you what is best, when it is best 4 u =] In'sha Allah


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    Jazakllah khair sister for your repsonse. I have on't Istikhara alread and I was given a clear sign. Allah swt made things easy for me when ending it and I feel relieved in a sense. I am sorry to hear your situation in your community! Unfortuantely, I have heard a lot of stories like this about sisters who cover and who are not the fittest, which makes no sense to me. We marry for Deen! These are not only problems in the west, but everywhere! I have actually heard worse things about places like Saudi and that is home to the Ka'ba. Anyways, Allah swt will send the right person to you and accept you however you are inshaAllah May Allah swt make things easier for you and keep your strong when things are difficult ameen. ameen. ameen.


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    Bismillah
    Attend the marriage event for converts. In my opinion, it is better for reverts to marry other converts because of similarities of culture and expectation. There are few avenues 1. ask the brother or the shaikh where you learn your from 2. Find reverts social circles 3. Contact Muslims of Norwich where there is a large european muslim present 4. Attend marriage event
    The only advise I will give is constantly do salatul Istikhara and secondly don't expect the other person to have same level of deeni understanding. Marriage is about tolarence, respect and love and is a test aslwell. So prepare yourself by attending some realistic marriage course.
    In my experience wife can take someone away from deen if the husbend is weak and lacks wisdom and is not focused in dawah.
    Also the sisters of asian and arab origin are quiet materialist. Makes no difference if they observe niqab & hijab. Ofcourse there are exception to the norm.

    Allahualam


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