Shameless act of barelveees

[Aram]

that's the thing...its probably going to take a full on war against Islam for Muslims to unite...but for the moment they'd rather be more chummy with the kafirs

Infact some of them even unite with the kafirs to bring down other groups...some of the sufis tried to do this with the salafis in a bid to expose 'wahhabis and their terrorism' you get madkhali salafis selling muslims out as is the case with some of the salafi shaykhs who are now doing time in prison due to being sold out by their brothers who decided to unite with FBI...because they differed on one or two points. You get barelwis trying to say the TJ are terrorists and rejoice in them being imprisoned

The kafirs reject Allah and reject rasoolAllah all together but our approach with them is nice and gentle

[AbuFatimah]

anyone who prefers a person who makes shirk billah over a person of tawheed has not understood islam.

And to say all salafis are arrogant or that u wud never befriend a salafi are both such clearly wrong statements that it shouldnt need further explanation. I, a salafi, have barelwi friends who are very nice humble people who are only even barelwi because of their forefathers. I would never make sweeping generalisations like 'all barelwis are arrogant' because this is injust and id never say id never befreidn non salafis because allah has said the believers are brothers and this doesnt only apply to people in your own group. The sahaba even prayed janaazah over the khawarij

Id still prefer a deobandi over a barelwi any day as deobandis are people of tawheed and our ulema say our salaah is valid behind them etc. I also respect deobandi ulema and have always found them balanced and of incredibly good character

[AbuFatimah]

that's the thing...its probably going to take a full on war against Islam for Muslims to unite...but for the moment they'd rather be more chummy with the kafirs

Infact some of them even unite with the kafirs to bring down other groups...some of the sufis tried to do this with the salafis in a bid to expose 'wahhabis and their terrorism' you get madkhali salafis selling muslims out as is the case with some of the salafi shaykhs who are now doing time in prison due to being sold out by their brothers who decided to unite with FBI...because they differed on one or two points. You get barelwis trying to say the TJ are terrorists and rejoice in them being imprisoned

The kafirs reject Allah and reject rasoolAllah all together but our approach with them is nice and gentle

I agree with this. when will we realise the disaster we're in and put out the fire in our house rather than arguing over which channel to watch on the tv

[pluto]

anyone who prefers a person who makes shirk billah over a person of tawheed has not understood islam.

And to say all salafis are arrogant or that u wud never befriend a salafi are both such clearly wrong statements that it shouldnt need further explanation. I, a salafi, have barelwi friends who are very nice humble people who are only even barelwi because of their forefathers. I would never make sweeping generalisations like 'all barelwis are arrogant' because this is injust and id never say id never befreidn non salafis because allah has said the believers are brothers and this doesnt only apply to people in your own group. The sahaba even prayed janaazah over the khawarij

Id still prefer a deobandi over a barelwi any day as deobandis are people of tawheed and our ulema say our salaah is valid behind them etc. I also respect deobandi ulema and have always found them balanced and of incredibly good character

I agree with this. when will we realise the disaster we're in and put out the fire in our house rather than arguing over which channel to watch on the tv

I don't really believe what you say, you talk of unity and have contradicted on the same account on so many threads. So forget it.

[mmb786]

Subhanallah, may allah guide us all. Ameen.

okay that came off the wrong way. i only said that bcoz i had berelvi and salafi's as friends and i know that if they're not interested in converting/changing their belief's, they're forever trying to convert and convince you! i'm not really learned or equipped to debate with them and refute what they say especiall when they start quoting qur'aan and hadeeth to back up their beleif's so it kinda ends up only confusing me tho i know that they're wrong. so thats why i stay far away from them and won't befriend them - unless.....

[AbuFatimah]

in my oppinion, deobandis and salafis are natural allies for one another inshallah. In afghanistan, the mujahideen were salafi and deobandi and were well known to have prevented extreme sufi practices there. One very well known salafi alim from saudi was reported to have said 'i didnt come here to change peoples madhab, i came to defend islam from the invading agressors' after which he became hanafi in fiqh. This was a very well known and respected shaikh amongst the salafis.

Also, salafis and deobandis both bring a lot of non sectarian benefit to islam between them. You have uwt, tabligh, iera and many other great initiatives aimed at dawah to non muslims, charity work, rectifying the muslims (with no focus on controversial areas like asma wasifaat) etc. I dont see any mass barelwi initiatives that are bringing anything to the table. they consider us all kafirs and are only interested to spread the barelwi and ive seen very little exception to this and no mass barelwi non sectarian effort for islam. Its all about spreading mawleed processions and gomgol shareef or whatever

There is also some good top level cooperation between deobandis and salafis such as shaikh zaahir mahmood etc.

I can promise you, many of the salafi du'aat that are constantly smashed on here are only saying good about deobandis. Al maghrib and al kawthar, yasir qadhi and tawfiq choudry both openly call for respect and cooperation amongst deobandis and salafis, and say there is no difference praying in a salafi or deobandi masjid, and yasir qadhi recommended me personally to study under a deobandi. So i think there already is cooperation amongst the two and that they both are bringing something to the table and we need to leave people to choose whether or not to stick to a madhab etc and not fight over such things inshallah and focus on important stuff like our disasterous situation which is worse than genghis khans attack on islam

[mmb786]

in my oppinion, deobandis and salafis are natural allies for one another inshallah. In afghanistan, the mujahideen were salafi and deobandi and were well known to have prevented extreme sufi practices there. One very well known salafi alim from saudi was reported to have said 'i didnt come here to change peoples madhab, i came to defend islam from the invading agressors' after which he became hanafi in fiqh. This was a very well known and respected shaikh amongst the salafis.

Also, salafis and deobandis both bring a lot of non sectarian benefit to islam between them. You have uwt, tabligh, iera and many other great initiatives aimed at dawah to non muslims, charity work, rectifying the muslims (with no focus on controversial areas like asma wasifaat) etc. I dont see any mass barelwi initiatives that are bringing anything to the table. they consider us all kafirs and are only interested to spread the barelwi and ive seen very little exception to this and no mass barelwi non sectarian effort for islam. Its all about spreading mawleed processions and gomgol shareef or whatever

There is also some good top level cooperation between deobandis and salafis such as shaikh zaahir mahmood etc.

I can promise you, many of the salafi du'aat that are constantly smashed on here are only saying good about deobandis. Al maghrib and al kawthar, yasir qadhi and tawfiq choudry both openly call for respect and cooperation amongst deobandis and salafis, and say there is no difference praying in a salafi or deobandi masjid, and yasir qadhi recommended me personally to study under a deobandi. So i think there already is cooperation amongst the two and that they both are bringing something to the table and we need to leave people to choose whether or not to stick to a madhab etc and not fight over such things inshallah and focus on important stuff like our disasterous situation which is worse than genghis khans attack on islam

can i ask u a question?
We always hearing about how much the salafi's luv us and want us to unite with them.

What have they done to unite with the deo's? or is everything expected to cum from the deo's side...?

[Aram]

Assalamu alaykum.

I have shia friends. They have a muslim name. That is only the better part of them. I know they will be watching tabarrah majlis, listening to poems on sahabah etc. These shias always speak of unity and they quote the stories from current affairs.

The reason behind this is that, they have been taught to hate the sahabah and their followers from the childhood.

Similarly we have groups their very existent is with the slogan of "hate the imams". But still we have friends from this group, we pray behind them etc.

It shows that efforts for unity exists from this side, it is the other group which has to clear their minds.

Shia's are different, there is no need for unity with them in my opinion...our differences are things that can not be overlooked such as their cursing towards the sahaba

There is a bit of a cultural clash on this forum when it comes to salafis as the salafis of indo/pak are very different to those of the UK. This is something that brother Dawud also needs to understand because often he gets frustrated when people talk badly of salafis on here without realising how different the salafis of indo/pak are in comparison to the UK

In the UK there is some kind of unity between many salafis and deobandis...not all...they still have a problem when it comes to people speaking badly of Imam Abu Hanifa RA....this only broke out recently due to the video by Abu usama...before this i did not know of deobandi ulemah openly speaking out against salafis...but that video pushed them too far

But still there are salafi scholars in the UK who share platforms with deobandi scholars and they show respect for one another...also within the UK many salafis nowadays are no longer anti-madhabs...a lot of them have realised their errors in this and now call themselves hanbali instead of saying they don't follow any madhab

But brother Dawud may not know of the extent to which the salafis of indo/pak go in cursing the Imam Abu Hanifa...it is pretty similar to the way the shias curse the sahabas...they call him a mubtadi and all sorts...they liken following a madhab to shirk and madhabis as kafirs... so when you see people on this forum with extreme hatred towards salafis it is because this is what they know of salafism

wallahu alam

[abz]

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Subhanallah, please do forgive me sister if you took offence to my comment. May Allah guide all the Muslims. Ameen.

[mmb786]

Subhanallah, please do forgive me sister if you took offence to my comment. May Allah guide all the Muslims. Ameen.

Ameen. I definitely did'nt take offence, thought i'll just explain in since my earlier posts were a bit iffish.