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    Default Re: My Concerns about the Community of Imam WD Mohammed

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    Sad bro, truly sad, something needs to be done. But don't for a moment think, tj does no charity. It just has different manifestations..


    not sure what you mean by tj has different manifestations of charity bro.

    anyway i dont say that TJ should do charity. the purpose of TJ as an organisation is preaching and learning amongst the muslims and there is nothing wrong with sticking to that.

    in a nutshell im saying that TJ or other dawah groups should work alongside a charity when doing tabligh amongst the dire poor. if the poor get help and stability from a charity then they would be able to concentrate better on their tarbiyyah and not be constantly worrying about the things that we take for granted.


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    Sad bro, truly sad, something needs to be done. But don't for a moment think, tj does no charity. It just has different manifestations..

    I say we need to work on creating more Islamic institutions to take care of the needs and contingencies arising in this Ummah spread all over the globe.
    Wassalam


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    I dislike having to write this to someone who has written such a kind and touching post asking that errors within a group be corrected, but this group, if it really holds these beliefs, is not a group of Muslims.



    This is disbelief by consensus.



    So is this, unless what is meant is a very roundabout thing that I can't possibly infer from this statement.



    These two fold into each other but I am not certain of the Hukm in this case. The first two are very clear cut.



    Denying ijmaa' as a concept is massively problematic.



    Quite bizarre...



    If this includes things that are haram by consensus or clear nusus, then this is also kufr.



    The former is Qur'anism and that is kufr, and the latter is extreme kufr...



    Extremely bizarre.



    Bwuh?



    If you've accurately rendered the beliefs of some of these people, then it is not permissible for you or for anyone to give them Salaams, or pray behind them... I'm sorry to say this, but it is worse than simple deviance.
    I don't know if I would go that far as this is the job of the rightly guided Ulema and this entails a lengthy process that would have to be undertaken. Yes I listed that some people propogate such beliefs at the same time this is not what everyone in the community believes and there appears to be some disagreement as to whether some of these things had came from Imam Mohammed in the way that they are presented


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    Quote Originally Posted by nur11 View Post
    I am familar with this community and they have a strange history anyway...it sounds like you have been studying and have figure some things out.May Allah continue to guide you to a better community.I think you know it's time to move on.It's not about color...it's about the truth. And there are African american communities that follow Quran and Sunnah here in the U.S. so you don't have to stay with one that don'tfollow it.
    Check out this one http://www.nuruzzamaaninstitute.org/. They follow the scholar Uthman Dan Fodio[RA]Although it's mainly African Americans and Africans its open to all.
    Masha'Allah Sister I am already apart of that Jamaat although i am the only Hanafi lol. I backed away from Imam Mohammed's community circa 2009 shortly after having given bayah to Shaykh Mushtaq Ahmad(DB) in 2008


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    after the movie about Malcolm X many mainstream muslims became aware of the nation of islam (NOI) and have seen been in doubt that the NOI have never been a part of islam. today we hear that NOI are coming closer to mainstream islam but in my opinion that is not good enough. they need to leave NOI altogether as it was not modeled on just an islamic group but as a religion in itself. when i was in america i met many black people that were with NOI as that was the only islam they knew about, but after being introduced to real islam many left. this is what the members of NOI need to do. rather than trying to reform NOI, they should abandon NOI altogether. may Allah guide us all.
    Imam Mohammed's community is much different than the Nation of Islam he was a good man who was very sincere although he was not traditionally trained . He brought many much closer to proper Islam if not for his work you not get people like Imam Siraj Wahhaj, and many other African American students of knowledge whose parents came from his community. People didn't move away from the NOI because of the Malcolm X movie they moved from the NOI teachings because of the work of Imam WD Mohammed I must admit though within Imam Mohammed's community there remains a lot of work to do still. The present day NOI does not have many members and Farrakhan enjoys much more personal popularity than the actual movement does


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    Quote Originally Posted by pluto View Post
    Don't they know that Malcom X himself later became a Sunni Muslim?
    If you check the history Malcom X's transition to Sunni Islam was partly due to Imam WD Mohammed aka Wallace Muhammad he had rejected the NOI theology for many years even before Malcolm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maripat View Post

    Very heart warming post by brother miraj09.
    Kindly accept my appreciation of your effort and courage to prepare this post.
    And I am with you in this brother.
    I also see the wisdom in what sister nur11 has said. You can avail that.
    But that will miss some of the concerns. I perceive that you would like to steer your community close to the right path. And why shouldn't you?
    But please understand brother that this type of task is a life long one.
    Of course sometimes Allah(SWT) changes the things by a quantum, drastically, within a short span.
    Decision of Imam WD Muhammed to bring NOI close to the normative Islam was indeed one such thing.
    From your post we understand that some more work is left unfinished.
    It will indeed be honourable to take it up.
    I am getting a feeling that you have reached your conclusions on your own and I agree with most of them.
    Even then it will be a good idea to get them, afresh from an authentic source.
    My suggestion is that you should spend some time with some Shaikh, just like brother Hamzah Yusuf, to charge your batteries and to develop your spirituality in such a way that you are at peace with yourself.
    Insha Allah this will lead to waning away of any doubts and also prepare you to the life long commitment - a commitment that seems nearly imperative to me, as of now.

    So thanks once again for the perspective. To educate myself about NOI I had gone through the Alex Hailey biography of Malik Shahbaz. And only through SF I came to know that Imam WD Muhammed had already taken the most critical step of bringing African American NOI community close to Islam. And your post is a refreshing update on the current state of things.

    May Allah(SWT) guide us all closer to the straight path.

    PS: OP used here with thanks.
    Masha'Allah thank you for your kind words, I have been learning from traditional Ulema since 2008 however I still interact with members from the community of Imam WD Mohammed very often


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomadic View Post
    Bismillah
    This reminds me of how in bengle islam took root. It took hundreds of years before orthodoxy took hold thanks to chrisitis and naqsbandi movement.
    Animist relegion was not replaced overnight, it shared commonality ( mosque of this time are found to have curving of various animist gods on masjed wall as part of decoration). then both islam and animist relegion stayed seperate, Islam grew and animist gradually dissappeared.
    the evoloutionary growth of Islam in USA is very similar. Just like the sufi daiyees of the past, you have to be involved fully in presenting haq with wisdom and do dua. Shaikh Uthmand Dan Fadio (RH) is classed as mujaddid by many scholars just as shah Walli Allah. it may be people are getting the wrong end of the stick.
    Allahualam
    I could not agree with you more my brother the community in the U.S. is still growing and evolving


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    Default Re: My Concerns about the Community of Imam WD Mohammed

    Quote Originally Posted by miraj09 View Post
    Masha'Allah Sister I am already apart of that Jamaat although i am the only Hanafi lol. I backed away from Imam Mohammed's community circa 2009 shortly after having given bayah to Shaykh Mushtaq Ahmad(DB) in 2008
    Who is Shaykh Mushtaq Ahmad?? And is the nuruzzamaaninstitute only in Pennsylvania.Do they have jamaats in other parts of the united states.JazakAllah khair for your response.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nur11 View Post
    Who is Shaykh Mushtaq Ahmad?? And is the nuruzzamaaninstitute only in Pennsylvania.Do they have jamaats in other parts of the united states.JazakAllah khair for your response.
    My apologies for my super delayed response but Shaykh Mushtaq (DB), is based in the Northern Virginia area and is a Khalifah of Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad(DB) of the Naqshbandi Mujadiddi tariqah. As far as the jamaat is concerned please contact us through our website Insha'Allah


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